00:26 Hi, I'm Sadiq 00:27 and I'm Cristian. 00:28 And this is episode 91 of Shades Of Brown. Uh, and this week we to know we're going to start off with, with Samsung, uh, Samsung Galaxy faults. So this was, if anybody remembers, uh, the, it sounds like event. This is the, this is the folding phone that we talked about, the $2,000 folding phone. Uh, 00:51 so Cristian, I'm going to let you start. 00:53 Well, what, what is going on with this? Like what's, what's the story? 00:58 Most phones nowadays are built with bonded glass, right? The screen is bonded to the glass. The digitizer is bonded to the glass. It's like one, a whole unit and it was very minimal air gaps. You may find like older phones are cheaper, phones don't have the, the screen being laminated, but it's still a bonded unit, right? Where if the glass breaks, you don't like to replace the whole screen because otherwise you have to do what uh, Jerry rig, everything did in a recent video of replacing an apple watch class where he literally had to get a special, a special hot plate. Don't say basically what you do is you get a special hot plate one that I'm also has like a suction cup on it, so it holds it down while heating the, the, the glass. And you have to take a gold wire and you basically have to hope you're picking the right layer, right, the right height, and you have to basically wire off the glass, if that makes sense. Right? SORTA like f like floss off the glass and then you pop off the glass and then you can get replacement glass, right. Put It on, put it on some adhesive. Um, and then you have to use a UV light. Go ahead and make sure it bonds properly. 02:01 That's, yeah. You like dad was never meant to be taken apart by human beings. Yeah. 02:07 That's a whole unit that needs to be replaced. But so, so essentially, right. That's how phones are built these days. And when you look at the galaxy fold, the interesting thing is this is a bending screen. Glass does not bend like glasses out of flexible material. So you have to use plastic. And the thing is you can't really bond all digitizer and all that together if it's made out of plastic and its current form with these folding old led screens. So what Samsung's had to do based off of the slight teardowns we'd seen besides Hosan been an I fix it one yet or Jay rake everything his hair down and I'm really waiting for it cause I wanna know how the screen is like actually built, but it seems like they're breaking out multiple layers. So a, it's a thicker device and B, some of it's exposed like for example on the review units at shipping out there is what appears to be a screen protector, but it's just a layer of plastic on top of the screen that if you pick out enough you can actually pull apart from the rest of the screen. 03:03 And what happens when you pull that off is that the whole screen right breaks it, it goes black digitizer stops functioning and there's, t-mobile has said on their units that they're putting out there, they're putting stickers on her saying, Yo don't take off, take it off. But almost every review, you didn't have the galaxy fold. That is key. That has been ceded to Marcus Brownley youtubers diverge. They've all broken mo two of them by people peeling off the screens. Yeah. MMM. Pieces of by the way, it's like a perfectly normal thing to do. Right? Like there's like most phones come and protect the plastic anyway, so he's just kind of assume and as well there had been randomly breaking like Dieter's from the verge. He had like a ran a bulge up here and then the bolts just like crack the entire display and it just stopped working and it's, that's a bad sign. 03:52 That is a very bad sign. And, and the, and the thing is, this happened last week, I think. Like it happened like it happened very fast. I call him. All of a sudden I'm the reviews all over Twitter. Like okay, it says this just my phone or is everybody's phone breaking? Like, uh, and, and the screen just like, thank you. If you take off the, if you take off the plastic layer, uh, it just like, I think what happens if you take it off is that stuff gets in between the hinge and the screen, right? Added like you can basically fold it anymore. But this if you do, it's gonna like break them thing, right? Uh, so it's like, and if you break any part of the whole screen is going to get damaged, right? I mean that's how, yeah, so that's like, yeah. 04:40 And and on top of that as well when it comes to the screen, because you cannot have one bonded unit where the display controller right is built into the screen. You have this very, because what, what, what's the, how displays where it, right. There's a display controller to keep the refresh rate and in sync, right? Like this is what, this is why g sink is like Nice because g sake is basically a very overpower display controller that is part is smart enough to be able to drop it and keep it consistent when you drop and you know, you could scale up and down refresh rates. So that's actually like as like a really high level overview of that, but with, with these bones, the display controllers in the notch and so it's not built into display. So you have this, you have to fun things. One, the bottom of the screen refreshes slower than the top of the screen and to the two displays are not in sync when they refresh. So when you're scrolling you'll have the right screen scroll quicker than the left screen. So there's a jelly effect because they're not, it's not, 05:47 it's not saying too. Yeah, it's, there's a, so I'm like if you go to the verge article and on the video as well, uh, there's like, uh, Jeff off the of that effect. And it's, once you, once you notice the effect, like you can't unsee it. Like it's, it's 06:02 don't go looking for that on your other phones too because, um, 06:05 it's there. Yeah, it's there, but was like all Ed's a really good about this 06:08 Samsung oleds an apple screens are really good about this. It can look at any other screen though. You could see a little bit of jolliness 06:15 you can, but like it's very like on Martin, I think modern, even on the mid to lower end devices, like it's going to be there unless you're looking for a grid, you can't really see it. Like I, I don't think that humanized, like trade that you won't notice it as like just, just, yeah. Unless it's really bad, unless it's really bad. Like, but I'm thinking like modern phones really are that bad. You keeping the, like the scroll latency, like the scrolling a smug, but like are on this one because, because like it's not in sync and it just looks really bad and just, it's like very obviously bad. Uh, and that's just, it's like one part of this whole thing. And also that's not about the, I like the front screen, like the phone mode screen. It's, it's weird. It looks weird to me. It's so tall and like be, uh, be like the screen part of it is like fields really small. Right? They can feels like it's tiny, uh, and can't really do much on it. Right. Uh, so that's, that's, that's great. There's no headphone Jack. What else? Uh, 07:26 it runs android tablet apps and as we, and as everyone knows, as everyone knows, I'm android on tablet is actually quite the pinnacle of [inaudible]. You know, you might say it is B o s to beat all of them. 07:39 Yeah. When Boaz had nothing on that shit, you know, like the android on tablets as this, this, this, this pinnacle in sarcasm is not obvious. It's, that's not good. Samsung obviously has its own windowing stuff going on. Right. Uh, which is also not not the greatest because it's like devil and save any of it. If you like close the phone. Uh, 08:01 yeah. Like it's like this is probably like as the most expensive, shitty yet interesting device to probably come out in the past decade. Right. Like there's, there's so much about this phone that is objective Lee bad. These screens are bad. These are not a good screens. Yeah. At using the software bad. Enter it on tablets is bad. The, the, the front screen is bad. The fold mechanism but not reliable. All of this is bad. And yet I want to fucking buy one because I, I just, there's something about this whole entire form factor that's so appealing. 08:39 Like, yeah, like the diversion of, we've touched on it, like, just the aspect of like how you opened up the phone and it's like a good thank [inaudible] opened on the phone. Like the whole, it's like a, it's like an iPad air without the bezels. Right. They can feels like, so you can like really hold it. Look at, I've had many, yeah. So like it's, it's, it has like a, it's good reading fat, like good at foreign factor for reading and stuff like that. Like it's, it's actually like a cool concept. Right. But like the execution of it is, is, uh, it's lacking. Right. And for $2,000. MMM. I don't think anybody's buying does, except for like, I dunno, like, uh, museums like computer museums. 09:26 Oh, come on, come on. You know who's buying it, you know who's buying it? Google plus might be dead, but you know who's buying it? The Samsung guys, listen, listen, in the Samsung nights are folding into this device and I, I would not be prouder of them. 09:44 Oh my God. Samsung nights with nod will not die with Google. Plus 09:49 Samsung nights are, oh, the turnover live forever. So I feel like now that Google plus is dead and most of our audiences out from Google plus, I feel like we need to explain this joke now they're bringing it up. So, um, so back out Google plus you had like, you know, android fan boys fan people, Apple Fan people I, you know, like all that, it's just like silly visceral stuff. And then like there's this self anointed group of Samsung fans, I would call themselves Samsung nights and it was the funniest shit. However, 10:21 I listen to all his obvious and some of them were Ashley just trolling, right? Like it wasn't like, thank you. It was like Cole Law in effect, right? You couldn't tell. It was like they were actually like, just like bunch of Samsung Fan boys or is it like some of the people in there were just like, you know, just going with it. I'm just having fun like trolley, get to, stuff like that. But yeah, it was like genuinely some hilarious stuff got on. Uh, 10:48 it was, it was, I feel like there are people who are going to buy these early adopters should, no one should actually buy it. Right? No one should actually buy this. 10:56 No, nobody's actually mine. Like, I don't like Samsung is still shipping these. I think they know that not a lot of people that are going to be actually buying these, right. Blake, I don't think they expect to sell many of these at all. Right. 11:10 Okay. Okay. 11:11 I wondered though if they can, like, like I, I, I don't, I don't imagine this is gonna be the first iteration like this, just the first iteration of this tech. Right. I imagine like we're going to see more of this coming in the future, like in other ways, like they're going to somehow implement this into like a mainstream phone at some point. Uh, 11:27 I wouldn't be so, like, honestly, okay. Given like if they fixed everything and they made it like, have a stylist like a galaxy. No. Right. Like, I feel like that'd be a good idea or like honestly like I don't, you know, I don't want to like say it, but I'll say it like if apple made a version of this, it'd be fucking great. Like a version of this running ios. I 11:45 don't think apple apple is 10 years from Mckean, anything like this, I'm just going to stay down because it's like apple is not going to make anything like this is going has happened as in like doesn't want to. 11:53 Microsoft's might though if if pianos, if the surface team panelists is looking at us and he was horrified at though he's not fucking, he's looking at this and he's like, Holy Shit, this can be a courier part too. There's been leaks for years about Microsoft trying to make a courier to write that runs windows on arm and runs the UWP apps now I guess PWAs and all of that stuff. So I just feel like, I feel like it's either going to be apple or Microsoft who make this, but like make it proper. I feel like someone's gonna come along and like, and I, I lean more towards Microsoft on this piece. I think it makes it one of these with a pen and running windows, but actually be like a pretty fucking great idea. 12:32 Yeah. I think I'm sure Microsoft or apple like doing research and development and to do folding phones, like I'm sure that's, that's, that's the thing that's happening. 12:43 Yeah. 12:43 So, well, we'll see. I mean, so now that's the thing. Go look, go look at the videos. Did The Washington a street journal one is by Joanna Stern is very good. I recommend everybody watch it because it's hilarious. Uh, 12:59 please don't buy this phone. This is food is, it is a novelty. It is interesting, but it's, it's genuine hardware. It's Gen one tag 13:09 Jen. It's like Jen 0.5 hardware. Yeah. It's just like not ready, uh, for anybody really. Like it's not right. I don't even even even like early adopters are going to buy this because it's just like, like if it just breaks like I mean, and this is the thing, like if you've heard early adopter, like say if you're like bought the first iPhone, like that's not the one thing, but it's like this is a product that can like break easily. Like it's like just stops working. That's not, that's not a thing I think even early adopters are going to put up with, especially at this price point. 13:38 Well so my, my, my thinking about early adoption, it's like if the hardware is solid and the software is a little lacking, but you're okay with the compromises that can make it make sense to get it right. Like maybe like if my phone, yeah. But if the hardware is compromised in the softwares also compromised, I don't recommend buying it at all because you can't fix bad hardware after the fact. 13:57 Yeah. And again, like the hardware that's fetal, like it's fatal flaws in the hardware that's gonna like you know, well you can't keep this and you can't use it. Keep using this long term like co how's durability? How long are you going to be able to keep using that phone? 14:11 You could say the galaxy fold is fold a towel. 14:15 That's bad. That's extremely please. No, that's bad. That's, that's as bad as the, like the Overwatch League Castro, he just listened to. 14:27 Oh, okay. Sorry. DVD. Okay, we need, let's take a moment to talk about Overwatch league because that did not make it into the recording. Okay. So I was like, you know, I'm like, you know, it's Shit, Overwatch, biggie sport, Halo, Halo Championship League. You know that, that's why down let's, let's, I needed to like get some more east sports in my life, you know, just as Watson competitive stuff, you know, follow some teams don't get back in the scene and I'm like, all right, I'm going to just pick one random Overwatch game and just watch it, you know. So I hop on twitch, you know, I throw it on and I believe it was Boston uprising versus London. Right. And these casters are the worst than the, like they're making like Hella problematic jokes. They like spend like 10 minutes bantering, give each other about like liking actual sports, and then they're like, oh, but that means over watch of this sport. And then it got really awkward. And then I just wait. What, what is that 15:17 Catholic. Okay, so let me give some context here. Uh, so the, the casters Christians talk about, uh, similar in Hex, uh, in, in my opinion, and it's, it's not an, it's not an unpopular opinion is our Daryl day, uh, I would say the worst casting deal and the Overwatch league, uh, there are, there jokes never land there. There's chemistry is, it's like, it's, it's bad. Like, did the tangents they go on are like extremely bad. Like it's like, it's not even good. Like they don't even go on and a decent tangents like, and I think it's just the dimming all these jokes and I'm like, none of them land. So it's like, it's just, it's just bad. It's just the eye. It's unfortunate that that was the game you picked because there are that are, there are so many better games and I can recommend you some games. They can. Walter Adams. 16:08 Oh, watch some previously recorded games because that was, it's like the exact inverse of that meme. It instead of name it better do its naval worse. 16:17 Do you owe him awards? Do I don't think. I don't think there's a worst steel. And over and over watch, like I watch a lot of, let me just like, since we're into this topic, like I watch a lot of this, so I'd like to wash like contenders, like, uh, like the deck, that good tier below the Overwatch league. So I wash a lot of that. Uh, and there are that are way better casters in contenders, the den seminar, an ax just, just then, uh, seriously. It's just, just put, put some of them on and it's, it's gotta be a better time than this. Uh, but yeah, uh, that's, that's our, that's our tangent I suppose. The Overwatch a minute. Oh, the Overwatch minute. Oh God. Oh God. Okay. Um, so next time. 16:59 Well, yeah, speaking about like, you know, things that are likely going to last far longer than a minute. Google is hosting and other pixel event on May 7th. And, um, this time, actually I think it's pretty interesting because, so there's been leaks about a pixel light pixel, a sort of like the, the leaked names of it device coming out, which is a lower cost pixel phone. And the rumor is that this is what's going to be announced on the May 7th event. Yeah, 17:24 that makes sounds about right. Yeah. 17:26 And I'm okay with that. I feel like I have, I've, I think of, I think I've said it before to a lower cost pixel device that's running, maybe android one or 17:34 pixel actually get one. If it's priced reasonably enough, like I might actually get like, like a backup phone or like a phone just for like work stuff. Like just, just, you know, like keep that stuffs that are separate. Like I might just get one if it's like at least like a decent price. I know like Canadian pricing is always a mess and uh, for Google, uh, so we'll see, I guess. 17:57 Yeah. Because essentially, you know, it's just material snapdragon processor, a little less ram, smaller screen. Um, apparently though they're still pushing for a while, be like a worst quality camera, still probably better than most cameras in that price range because of the, um, the Google software that's on there. And so I, I'm, I'm excited for that because right now, right, if you want like a cheap phone, you probably tell someone to go one plus I guess. 18:20 But then one port it and all of that race and can only recommend anybody buy one plus one. It's to be honest, I'm not a big fan of their whole, uh, yeah, I guess, I mean like I never liked, you know, the whole marketing stuffed at the did a few years ago. Never settle. Yeah. I'm just extremely turned off by one plus. But that's a discussion for another time, 18:41 the very least. So one plus is still like price per value of the phone right is pretty good. But like one place you have to like import it unless you're on t mobile. And I feel like this pixel a, at least in the states of high, be more readily available for an unlocked version. And he is right now, I think maybe Motorola phones, but Motorola has some of that weird tracking stuff cause the Lenova rate glove on the PC side and I think some of that's gone into their android phones and Motorola really isn't updating build as much. So it was the Google phone. You at least know that you're getting, you know, android versions for at least two years. And, and I feel like it's just there, there needs to be like a good cheap phone where I can be like, you know, [inaudible] this pixel is a fucking thousand dollars iPhone a thousand dollars. 19:20 Right. Like cheap phones matter as well. And, and I think having like, and also also important note, wow, this is going to be likely locked to a carrier in the states since Google, since he has his exclusivity deal with Verizon, the unlock versions always having an unlocked bootloader, which means it's going can be a cheap and you know, cheap, affordable phone that can also be flashed to be, to run a free version of android or yeah. You know, or that can be flashed to run. So run, um, you know, not as locked down versions of android and I feel like that's an important note. He's not many people are going to do it, but um, but especially for our audience, I feel like there's a lot of people in our audience who would be down to flash it with 20:03 lineage. Joe Has, I think is what the cool kids use these days. It's lineage. Lineage. That's a hard word to say actually. It's a hard word. Yeah. Let me enjoy this. This is what like signage and Maude, like sort of chips morphed into red like at forecasting, I don't know, 20:21 shut down as a company because of their, uh, 20:24 I went down there when they get bought by one, like the harder one plus one plus made oxygen o s and its agents just like crashed and burned. And it was, that was unfortunate. Yeah, that was a whole thing. Uh, I don't know. I don't know if we ever talked about it on this podcast. 20:40 Well all the drama surrounding that cause I'm sorry too. There's like a whole bunch of stuff about contributors to the project 20:45 and a lot of this stuff was on Google plus. Guess what? 20:48 Guess what Christian, it's not there anymore. Holy Shit. Do, don't like all seriousness. Most of the, like the one place drama just does not exist on the internet doesn't exist. It doesn't exist on the internet because it wasn't Google unless it was on, you know, let's, I got scrapped it. Yeah. Put It on archive somewhere shortly. Parts of it are on like screenshots on android plugs. Right. But like the whole history though is just gone. It's gone. Shit. Think about it. A lot of android development, like sort of like the like sort of the indie scene I guess like the Chromo s leaks and then there's like a bunch of like Google plus posts by Google engineers about like how Andrea was built. Right. I'll watch it. A lot of knowledge here. Right. To straight up, just knowledge. Just gone. Yup. Pretty much. Welcome to the Internet folks. Nothing is forever. 21:36 So that's, that's the, that was the depressing. Uh, and to this, the segment I suppose. I don't know if we have anything else to say other than that. I mean we could say, you know, there's, I think there's a segway between the pixel a and the Xbox one s all digital edition. It's that, you know, they're both probably going to be a lower price, but disappointingly priced because I'm this week as well, Microsoft released a new model of the Xbox one. It is a diskless all digital model and it's going to be 250 us same size as the Xbox one s just a little lighter weight and it comes at three games, Forza, horizon three of Minecraft and I think see a thieves and sorry, I think it comes out in like a week and so on it's own, do I think in all digital version of a console that has lower prices, a bad idea? 22:25 No. However, given that you're paying $250 for an x box, one s with no DVD drive, when you can buy an Xbox one s with a DVD drive for like $210 on Amazon, that is a bad deal. And according to two one of the Microsoft executives who they're interviewing, I believe our Seneca had an interview up with them or mentioned in the original posts. They're sorta like, yeah, our MSRP for the one s is 300 and we know it's like super discounted but then another fucked up, they're not fucked up. They couldn't do anything of bottom line by the time it all, like all of this happened. Like I think by the time all this was planned and executed like they could, they can really control like toward the market is selling. That's console for right? Like so it's like that. Yeah. So they're just, they're just going to release this. 23:16 I would imagine like it's going to sell some, it's probably going to drop price very quickly. I imagine that this to 50 prices not long for this world. And honestly, if this console at I would say one 50 to like one 75 that's the sweet spot like sub 200 any any price sub 200 I would actually say go ahead and get this console because you know, compared to a base ps four, which I think is still $300 like you're good to, well obviously the Xbox one s is lower power. It was less powered. You can still get four k output for video. Um, and while games are only 10 ADP like you, if you're paying, I believe, you know, sub 208 you know, you know, you're not getting like the most powerful console but you are getting good enough of a console for the price. Plus you know, a good enough library of games might as Horny a Japanese games. That's true. 24:10 It's like the thing is it's, it's not a DVD drive. Just just to be clear about the incidence of blue and that that actually matters because I think the bluray or drivers useful I guess to some people at this point, it's probably one of the thank you. If you, if you just want to blow and drive, right? Like that's not like if you buy it like an Xbox one s like it's not a big deal on a four K bluray player. The regular Xbox one x is a pretty good deal. It is. And actually his for cable or your players are quite pricey. Yeah, they are. Yeah. The Sony ones especially I like quite expensive. Uh, so otherwise that's, well actually two this was games pass. Well I think it's like a really good deal, right? Like get, well I guess we have to put our blinders on for a minute because there's definitely the local storage advocate in me who uh, who hates CRM and would not prefer to this world to exist. 25:03 However though, in a, in a world where this does exist, like given you're okay with never owning anything on your console, this plus games pass like not a bad time. You know, 15 bucks a month, you're just super cheap console given especially you can get this or sub 200 like you're going to have a pretty good gaming experience. And honestly I think that people who are spending less than $200 on a console, ps, this is the, actually this is totally going to drop to us 200 I don't. While this price point is not good right now, I do not believe for a minute that this will stay at that price point, but like I don't believe people who spend less than 200 and a console particularly care about DRM that much. Probably not the, I think, I think Microsoft is the hedging on the fact that the digital is going to be the way Konsulta gone and like the physical market is drying up. 25:53 So like, well actually two and this put for x cloud too, right? If you're doing game streaming on this, like at that point the Xbox one in general has pretty good networking hardware because what does the Ethernet port is? It's like Gigabit, right? Or is it just a ten one hundred or 100,000 it isn't gigabit port. Oh, even on the regular Xbox? Yes. Even on the regular one, it was awesome actually. Wait, no gigabit, is that the standard and then 10 gigabits, the fancy one? Yes. Yes, yes. Gigamon is pretty standard these days. Sounds like I'd be surprised if anything doesn't ship within a gigabit port. Uh, it's, it's cheaper to get gigabit poems, but in general though, the networking I think is better at least compared to like a ps four or the switch in terms of the wifi chips and all of that. The wifi maybe. Yeah. I think the Wifi trips in the Xbox one as a probably better. 26:43 Definitely better than the switch I would say. But yeah. So that's the, uh, Xbox one s what about the game? The Games are not that great to be honest. I'm going to be real with you. I didn't mind. Craft is, it's fine. But CFD gives as a to three. What do you mean? How was that? Did that, let me just like, I was getting to that in a moment. First Horizon Three is fine. It's great. But I would prefer, like if it was, it was forced forza harassment for and step, uh, because I feel like it was the resin three words. Good. It's just, I don't know if it's as early as far as the resident for, uh, but yeah, that's, that's a, that's just a minor nitpick on anyway. I'd imagine that it's going to be other bundles for it. I would imagine like there's going to be like, uh, I dunno what the fall out 76 one fire sale. 27:39 No, you get a free copy of faults. 76. Did you get a free copy of faults? 76, Jesus. Yeah. Uh, fought somebody that you can't, you can't even pay me to play their game match. Really. Um, it probably in a couple of months do anthem. Oof. Oof. Yeah, that's true. So speaking of, uh, consults we have, we have, uh, we have some exclusives, exclusive breaks, collusive outbreaks. It's like the e three trailer thing that, uh, that, uh, that Microsoft does, right. Xbox one exclusive Xbox one console exclusives and always, always going to have a PC release. So, so we have the, they could interview with, uh, are either like a sort of the article about with Mark Cerny, uh, who's the, what was the head of hardware for playstation? I believe so. Yeah. Essentially he sat down a wire to just go over what they, what their broad points are for the decks for the next playstation hardware. 28:48 But he said it's not called the PS five. I mean we're just, it's totally going to be called the PS five. It's going to be called a ps five. And honestly there's still, there's a lot here that sort of sounds close closer than not to 2005. So nick has her eye and all done in an all white suit [inaudible] presentation that we'd want to then we want, you know, out of Sony nowadays. But I think it's pretty reasonable when you break it down and think about where hardware is going. Right. Because essentially, so when you're saying that it can drive Aka displays, but which if you're building to htmi 2.2 2.1 yes. Back in drive it, that can, that, that cable has the bandwidth to Driving Aka display. However, playing games a day, k display different story, but doing video output. Totally possible. Um, they're saying that they want to do a ray tracing. 29:36 They want to do, um, the put an SSD in there and they want to have a very, very fast processor. You know, all, all of the hardware bits that they're saying they want to have in this makes sense. If you're using it using like the Xbox one s is x, sorry. As this generation's like pinnacle, you can only go up from there and, and if you look at where PC harbor's going, right? Like ray tracing likely in the next generation is going downstream. Right? Like right now. Yeah. But it's starting starting to trickle down and W in terms of SSDs while, so when he's saying it's the fastest SSD ever, it might just be, they might just be doing like a new version of PCI. I think it's another, it's another format of that that's technically available right now, but not really shipping in any motherboards. 30:25 So the hardware like the, the specs are all there and it makes sense for councils to go to SSDs. It makes sense for console to get ray tracing it make sense for them to get, you know, modern, you know, gps that are extremely modern. It makes sense for them to get CPS that are no longer based on Jaguar and a more modern architecture. So all of this is in line where PC, Harvard is going because I think we're going to find that the next generation of consoles are just very custom built Spec pcs, which is fine because that's what this console is. It was right. And because of that be, since they're still thinking of x86, Sony now has the advantage of saying we can also do backwards compatibility of all ps four games because a, you don't have to have a ps four a shipping on there for price reasons. 31:09 Right. You can just, I think you may need to have some chips on the, on the SOC right. For, for backwards compatibility sake, like some sort of co processes or just to make sure that it runs in like a ps four mode. Um, where since I think since Sony and Microsoft a little bit different where I imagine Microsoft has structured their games, especially with their backwards compatibility stuff, to just be updates that'd be needed to get them to run. That's where PC like right where I'm using using windows own backwards compatibility architecture, right. You could just sort of run older software on there without having to have hardware built in for that. Whereas I imagine Sodi may need some sort of like coprocessor some hardware to help enable backwards compatibility, but it's still a lot cheaper than putting an actual old console and the new one. 31:52 Right. And running it on that old console to actual hardware. That's not going to put a ps four processor in there. That's not, that's not going to happen. That doesn't even make sense. It's going to, it's going to be a new architecture anyways, so it's going to be really weird to have that. So, so they're talking about third generation MD resin, which is going to be eight cores on the, on the new, on the new seven centimeter core architecture and the GPU is going to be like uh, AMD Gpu, which southern Radio on nab. Is this a new thing? This is a new one. It's likely, it's likely based off of like the radio on seven that just shipped that imagine. I don't, I don't think it's going to be, I don't know if it's a new architecture or not. Um, I, I'm going to assume that it would be on the same, the same track is AMD is existing architecture for this year's releases and they're gonna have a Rtx in it. 32:59 So our deck says no, no, no, I don't have to send that. You can have our team, they're going to have a rate. They're going to have reed Hastings and to like just to, so RTX is the videos proprietary implementation of ray tracing where as ray tracing in general is just a technique, right? So you don't really have to use RTX toolkit. Ray Tracing. It's just that our techs is the only currently shipping version of Ray tracing. But there's nothing stopping had video or sorry, AMT from doing it. Yeah, that's true. I'm in ray tracing is mostly like a visual of grand. Right. And right now it's, the next stuff is on the RTX GPS are, it's pretty minor to be honest. It's not that great. 33:39 Yeah, it looks cool for like five minutes. And did you turn it off because the frame rate is going to, it's going to die? Well, honestly, I feel like with this generation, Microsoft and Sony should just make a big push to make reef variable refresh rates a thing on TVs and console's because high end Samsung Tvs are starting to ship a free sink. Right. Um, and I'll never be g sake because a BFG GDS are likely not going to be a mass consumer product where's precincts where we'd open standard to put on them. Um, but I feel like pushing obviously pushing for higher frame rates but also having variable refresh rates supported in all games plus pushing for manufacturers to get these, that technology indice TV version of [inaudible] is going to support that. Right? Yeah. 2.1 supports, um, free sink or well, variable refresh rates. I don't know if it, I don't think it's been simply done through free sink, but it does support, um, being able to change refresh rates on the fly. 34:38 So things are moving in like in the right direction for this, I guess. Do you think this is going to be like, like they're going to have a teaser trailer at e three this year. Tony's not an e three don't you pull it out a theory? Remember, so they're like, I think they're going to have some like Nintendo direct style event. However, my thing is like, like I said earlier, none of this surprises me. This is where PC hardware is going and make sense, but what's going to be the price here? Because even in PC hardware land, you don't build a system like this for far less than $500 dude, at the same time. So d you should remember 2005 six 99 new American. Oof, oof. That's 800 Canadian. That's, oof. That's expensive console. If you're paying $800 that's the thing too, right? It's like I feel like if Microsoft was in this position with how they're structuring their games being like sort of play everywhere, right? 35:34 I think they could actually get away if a higher price causal and Sony can, because the assumption of Microsoft is that the next x-box is just going to be a higher end version of the existing x-box rate and it's not as, it's not a reset, it's just a continuation. So you the same games can run, you may drop off like older consoles, right. But it's sort of like the apple model where you know, newest hardware, reverie runs better, but the software stays the same for the past like six, eight, 10 years, right, of of hardware. And it just sort of slowly drops off when new hardware comes out. That's what I think Microsoft is heading towards. But with, so any rate, it's like this is the new, this is a reset. While may be backwards compatible. I don't think ps five games are going to run on the PS four so like we'll slate. 36:19 This is all like this is very, this interview is this, this thing is weird. I don't know why this exclusive access, like is this supposed to be like some sort of press splits because Sony doesn't have any three presence, remember? So they kind of have to sprinkle it out throughout the year instead of having one bombastic showing at e three. Okay. All right. All right. I suppose that makes sense. The SSD thing is actually pretty exciting because, uh, uh, um, my big problem with modern consoles like current gen consoles is it's the slow io like spinning rust is loading times that are absurd, uh, for someone. And again, right assassin's creed, odyssey is a big one. That game tastes like four minutes to load on the Xbox one X. Yeah. I'm not surprised the, those textures that are not cheap to load. There's a lot, a lot of stuff going on. 37:20 Yeah. Like the SSD and the Pcie 4.0 uh, SSD, which is, I was just going to be like NBME thing. It's gotta be like, uh, like io directly connected to the Pcie slot, which you can do with pcs now. But pcie 4.0 is not a thing on, on piece on modern PC hardware yet. I think so honestly too. I feel like these new console should be supporting thunderbolt three especially, I mean it's not, it's not tied to Intel anymore. A thunderbolt three has opened, opened up at anyone can, AMD chips can do use thunderbolt controllers, right? Like there's not, there's no hardware to lock on them anymore. It's no longer like exclusive to an intel processor. And I only for the reason I've expandable storage, right, because, and it actually makes sense for a causal to have like four USBC slots and you just plug external drives into those are enclosures or whatever. 38:14 But like not even for me and my weird like uh, you know, external GPU hype land. Oh my God. Actually I'll think about that. Daisy chaining ps fives together to make like one, one mega powered gay marriage game or console that that's how the absurd and I want to like, I want that to be a thing, but it's not bad because imagine the land parties. Please think of it like this. All right? Okay. Okay. What were were going down this rabbit hole? All right. Think of a game like Halo. So you're doing a tournament, right? But instead of, you know it's fuck, fuck Xbox live. Fuck it. You just want that shit under a local networks. You know what you do? You have 10 10 gigabit Ethernet port, right? That all wired, all wired the console's together. But then you also have them all can daisy chain via thunderbolt three so, and then one of them just driving a display overkill overkill 10 gigabit internet. 39:11 This is not necessarily for anything that game console steel. Really? Yes. But you know what? Overwatch will never be smoother. It'll be the smoothest Overwatch experience. Unless it's like one 44 hertz pres second. That's, that's the thing is, is for our frame rate's gonna go up or is it going to be visual fidelity that we're looking at that that's also the thing. Damn, I wonder actually what happens over watched it this new generation. Does blizzard make a new version for it? Does blizzard just do, do they do the two councils play of each other? Are they going to be split apart? There was a lot of questions here like cause there's a lot of live services now, right? This is the first time he really had a big split live services. Um, I hate, I hate the fact that I'm not wondering about the live services, but like last generation destiny came out the tail end of the lifespan, right? Like destiny, it was, became a Xbox three 60 ps three and Xbox one right? It was, it was a transitionary game. So like what, what happens then? I don't know, like live services. It doesn't make sense for them to leave it to the last generation, but do they just create a new whole live service? I don't know what's going to happen. That's a good question. Actually. 40:28 So we have our last topic, right? This one is, I've been wanting to talk about this since it came on. It's, it's homecoming, uh, film by balance. Say it was announced at like 3:00 AM apparently, I think, I think the video is a Netflix exclusive. Right. Okay. Um, so yeah, so it's, it's a, it's like a second concert recording slash documentary on Netflix and I recommend, I recommend everybody watch it rather than, I don't think it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's going to be like a bad watch for anybody really. I think that's something that for everyone. But yeah, this is really, really good. It's a Christian. I'm going to let you use, like you said, you listened to the album, right? So I'm going to just let you talk about like, did you have any favorite tracks? Sort of like, uh, okay, so the track diva, the second half of it has a horn remix. Yes. This song by 41:34 Ot agenesis, is it called? Same Old? I can't remember what the track name is. Is this rubric that is tracked by Ot Genesis and it's, it's the horns, the, the orchestration throughout this attire. A live show is, okay. I am going to go out on a limb and say that beach Chella, which is what it's officially called the coach Beyonce has Coachella live show. Yeah. Sits next to the alive dafont daft punk live album in terms of how good the music is, there's a week tracks here. Every track is remixed in a way and they're blended together. Right? Like you're like, you remember the middle of, sorry, where she just cuts too. I think it's a misery. So I cannot remember the song name. It's just cutting in and out of different songs and instrumentals are blended together. Um, and then there's bow down as well. Or like the end, the last 30 seconds about Dowd like could easily become its own lighthouse track if you looped it and be just a club banger. 42:33 Yeah. Geez. Oh, I think this is one of those things where like, it's just like, uh, like the onset of does a couple of years ago, right. With, with lemonade, right. She had a, like a visual, like a v, like a whole video and the music itself right together. And this is also like a similar concept, uh, like the theme of this one is how I'm coming. Right. And this is basically like be able to come back in now. Uh, she, she like took, took some time off, right? Because she was like, uh, print. Yeah. Pregnant. Um, and like the document, it talks about how, like how are they difficult? It was to come back to like doing like rehearsals, like everyday it's stuff like that. 43:17 And like the amount of detail in this, this whole thing is absurd. It's just on all the themes. Like, I like the first time, watch this. Like when, um, like the, the opening notes of, uh, formation came on, I was just new thing. My Shit, I was just like, oh my God, this is ridiculous. And the whole lake theme of like, you know, uh, HBCs right? Like, uh, like historically by colleges, right? Uh, that's, that's like, that's like a very strong team in this and this one, like, she's, she's like basically reenacting like a homecoming. Uh, from HBC or I like, she, that's what she's done. Uh, and it's like the whole, like the choreography of fed, like [inaudible] like what? Like if you watched, I ran when I really watch the video first, it's, it's pretty long. So I think like, she should definitely spend some time, it's like two hours and things and it's like, but yeah, like it's the choreography's on point costume design, um, dance like Dee musical, uh, instrumentation, the, uh, the guests, right. The guest, uh, like on a, uh, w whatever is it on a, on, on after run the, around the world, right. They had, uh, Kelly Rowland and, uh, Michelle Williams, Destiny's child. I, I was like, when, um, when this started singing, say my name right. And the whole crouch lost. It was just like, 44:55 and it says, this one had probably has what I would say the only good DJ Khaled feature ever. It's the only, the only time Dj Calvin, he, Didi College showed up for this. 45:05 Yeah. Ah, yeah. It's, it's, it's really, really good dead. Those, uh, that was a bit of weight with Solange on it. Uh, I think it was get me bodied. Right. Uh, I think it was the, 45:20 yeah, it was, it was all fucking puppet. It, this whole entire thing is just the bop and this think of bumps in the whip. It's a certified banger and and like there's no bad tracks on it. That's the thing. All of the songs that are great, all the performances are on point. The choreography is on point. 45:39 Okay. 45:39 And like for a live album, and this is just mixed perfectly, it's like it sounds, it doesn't sound studio recorded right. But it like you can, it dips into like the live bits here and there like it genuinely like the only like live album that I've heard in a while that compares to this is just the, the live 2005 one. 45:57 Thank you. Yeah. The Cornell was when I watched the video and I was like I'm going to listen to a live album and I didn't expect the live album to sound as well, like put together as it did. I didn't expect it to sound like as like the transitions being as smooth and like, like it can be mixed together pretty well. Like it's just perfect actually. It just, yeah, like, like alive is a good example. If anybody hasn't heard death punks alive, I think you owe it to yourself to take some time Alison to it because that is also like a fantastic and also in one of my favorite tracks is, is is, is the one with j Balvin in it. Like I wasn't expecting that. Like that was totally like, like I, I felt like it came out of nowhere. Uh, me, Jen, how do you say that word? [inaudible] g is like a tease in h inspection. Okay. Meaghan d okay. And yeah, that, that track with J Balvin. Um, the original track is also a total bang or by the way. MMM, 47:04 okay. 47:04 Yeah, it's, it's, it's all, it's all fantastic. Like I recommended if you haven't watched it or haven't listened to it, it just, just give it a listen. It's worth it. Uh, so that's all I have to say about that. Like, like I was really happy. This is how this, I wasn't expecting it. It was a total surprise. So that's good. Oh, so I think we can wrap it up unless you have anything else to say. 47:26 Um, no. Just please, please listen to this Beyonce album and also, um, please listen to a live 2005. That's the really good live album. Um, the, the one more time aerodynamic mix is probably, I would say it's 2007 by, there was a 2007. Oh Shit. Yeah. Live 2007. I still owe aerodynamic one more time. Those, that track that track is, I would say probably the best song ever by Daft punk. Just the mix of it like that is there, it is one of those like tracks that you can listen to it repeatedly and it isn't, it has an infectious groove and like every time you listened to it, the whole album is just 48:05 just perfect. My favorite track is probably, yeah. Face to face. A slash short circuit. Oh yeah. Like all like you can just pick any track for a bit and you probably have a good candidate for a favorite track. It's just a fantastic, 48:21 okay. 48:21 Uh, so this has been, I guess, music hour because we talk about video games to match, I guess. Uh, so yeah. Uh, you can find like, let me grab this up. I guess you can find us as always, uh, two chance of brown.com email us, uh, contact@twoshadesofbrown.com. Uh, you can find me on mastodon aesthetic safe and on, but saw mcleod.com and Christian, where can people find you? 48:48 You can tell, you can send me takes about what live albums are good. And that I actually listened to you at, uh, chose to find a 10, four. Dot. Social. 48:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please. This actually, it's just like add, both of us are, send it to send it to our email because I want to, I want to listen to them too. Uh, uh, it's bonus points if they're like, if I can buy them on Bandcamp, that's bonus points. Uh, so would that goodbye. Bye.