00:27          Hi, I'm Sadiq

00:27          and I'm Cristian.

00:28          And this is episode 92. Our sheds are brown and the switch, when are you going to be doing some follow up on the, the Samsung fold?

00:38          Or You could say, you could say it's some fold up.

00:42          Ah, that's, that's, that's, that was the pun I suppose for this because there's nothing else funny about this I guess. Oh, okay. So let, let's start. Uh, so what happened as we talked about last week, uh, about the galaxy fold. Uh, okay. Uh, reviewers, reviewers got co, uh, the reviewers had them and they started breaking and then, and then Samsung was like, um, okay, okay, hold up, hold up, hold up. Uh, at that, then they were like, we're not going to have to do, like I didn't get them in like a, what are we going to do? Like they didn't want to, they changed the release date, but the finally on, I think Monday they were like, yeah, we got, we're going to delay the, uh, launch. MMM. So they're gonna delayed till what? Like

01:38          they said that they're going to be giving their preorder customers and update in two weeks. So there is no release date. They're going to be updating everyone in two weeks on when they think they can.

01:47          Oh my God. Okay. Do you think it's going to ship? Do you think this is going to happen? Like they think it's just like,

01:54          well, do I think a galaxy fold we'll ship eventually? Yes. Do I think this galaxy fold slightly modified and which, but it's essentially the same form factor. I don't know. Right. Like there's a whole lot, there's a whole lot here because outside of the fact that it's been breaking right in Samsung like, fuck, we got to go ahead and fix it. MMM. We found out more context as to why this has been happening because I'm some reviewer viewer at revere gave it to Ifixit, which is they are, they're probably a blacklisted. They are probably blacklists that now. But um, PZ normally don't give your a review units to a tear down company or to Jerry rig everything. But, um, what they found in the tear down, W H was taken down at Samsungs request. Oddly enough, I guess since I fixed it, didn't buy it themselves. And it's sort of like the, it might've screwed over their viewer if they, if they see it on archive.org so it's, it's so, I mean the Internet forgets nothing except my space is music. I guess that's all gone to time or Google plus or no. Okay. The Internet doesn't forget most things, but um, yeah, the, the, the link in the show notes we'll beats, uh, it will have on to the actual archive.org.

03:08          Yeah.

03:09          But I'm essentially what they found in the tear down our two bits that would cause for the, the screen to be breaking and bit number one is that there are two gaps on the top, on the bottom of the device where the hinges at in order to get the device to fold. Right. Know, did we get the fold? There's a little bit of a gap of seven millimeter gap. Okay. And essentially what the, one of the theories that I fix it had was that because the Brie and other objects can get lodged in there, it is causing the old lead to break because the, the thing about OLED screens is that, yeah, if you break a little bit of an LCD right, you can have dead pixels, right? You can have like you can have like a quarter of your screen break with not affect the rest of it, but oh, LED's are fragile enough that if one part of the screen breaks it'll break the rest of the Olin.

04:01          So if one part of the full, that's why if you saw with 'em with the Mkbhd want to think where the line, right where you moved the screen protector and he had a line up here or is that dieter's right. One of them too, they had a line up here and then after a while the wine took over the entire screen and it just stopped working and that's because the old lead broke in one place. But because of how old led is manufactured, if you break one piece of the old lead, it will fuck up the electronics of the rest of the display.

04:26          Okay. Okay. So yeah, so the, the, so you can see the archive fake. I fixed a teardown I'm, I'm still curious who gave them that, that galaxy for like where did they get that from? And uh, they have to take it down because I guess like sounds like it was like, um,

04:48          yeah,

04:49          I mean why, what Samsung has them to take it down, like is instead of like do, did not understand like if, if, if the asks like more you draw attention to it, like, like more, you like press down on it, it's going to be like more people are going to be paying attention. Like why is it, why has it taken down? Et cetera. Like this could kind of just left it alone and uh, I think that would have been fine. I don't know. Uh, I guess, uh,

05:15          it's just interesting that they didn't test this. Right. But then again, I mean if apple managed to pin on keyboards that if you get a little bit of Cheetos on it, you know, they break, I, I'm not surprised at this point that Samsung as well or putting out devices that they didn't test for her to breathe, but it's still ridiculous. Right? I guess he can't do any road road testing, but at the same time, like, no, you need, do you need to sprinkle some Cheetos on your, on your fucking phones and laptops?

05:40          I mean, I think, I think what happened here is that Qa and engineering where like, we cannot ship this thing. This is basically like Qa was like, hold up, hold up. This is like, this is gonna nod work. Uh, and then management decided, okay, how do we still ship this? Even if you, even if engineering and Qa say like, don't fucking ship this. How do we shut this? So, and then they put the, that plastic thing right there. Like, okay, uh, we, we do that and then we ship it. But obviously

06:12          she was like a last minute, heck shit. We already produced a bunch of these legislation and a screen protector just so we can salvage some of these.

06:20          Like this is like somebody is, somebody at Samsung made the executive like accident get like some a manager. Uh, somebody had high level made decision that hey, we're going to have to shipped us. Uh, but Qa and engineering, we're like, well,

06:35          uh, guests, we're shipping this and it's going to be fucked. So that's like, that's how it is I guess. I like, I don't think that this, this issue went unnoticed and I'd have to like the Samsung this engineers or not idiots. I don't think they are battered product designer or anything. Not In competent obviously. Right. Uh, so yeah, I think, I think engineering and Qa will definitely like, especially in like the debrief thing, like I feel like that would have been like picked up like by one Qa person basically immediately. Like I don't even know like that, that feels like it would have been like at an immediate thing. So yeah, I don't think it was that nobody noticed. I think it was just people noticed, but management decided it was a week we're going to shut this thing anyway. Uh,

07:22          according to I fix it too. There's just like, there's just so many points of, of fragile.

07:27          Yeah, yeah. Just, yeah. This and this is what happens when you're like, you want to like be like the first to market with something that is extremely, uh, yeah, it's still very alpha like still and still much a work in progress.

07:46          So also as well to just to, just to double clarify, right. That screen protector on there is literally just the plastic layer, right? It does no electronics, no components in it. The thing though is that the glue is too strong. So when you pull it off, you're separating the old led from the, from the actual display and that causes it to break.

08:03          Oh my God.

08:05          Normally you would have right. A plastic or sorry, a glass layer on top of a screen protector and the glass, obviously it has a far better tension, not tension. Right. But like far better durability than a plastic screen. So that's why it doesn't design as much give if you take off a plastic screen protector on like a regular galaxy s tenor.

08:22          Yeah. Some other device. I mean, yeah, I mean the screen protectors are not flight. The like they're meant to be put on there, but they're also, you can also take them off pretty like it's not supposed to be destroying the screen obviously. Uh, so that's, that's the, that's the followup I guess who's suspended with, are going to hear more about this, this a, and then like a bid when, when Samson decides what they're going to do with this, uh, I'm just going to cancel it.

08:47          Yeah, definitely. Um, the two weeks from now of Samsung's that are given a status updates, two weeks, we'll follow up on this. Um, you could say there's, there's one more left at a story.

08:56          All right, well let's move on to the next one. This one is, um, as soon as suppose is a bit of like a matter of discussion in some ways, right. And Pop punk has metta, which is, I don't think we often discuss the stuff on the podcast itself. Uh, so this is about Newman and to give Christian, can you give us like the overview of what luminary is and what it does and,

09:22          okay. Well Luminary is essentially a venture capital funded podcast app that has a freer tier that just sort of works like a regular podcast player, but they have a paid tier that gives you a Netflix or HBO style, you know, exclusive shows, which on its own gross, but you know what like that's not a bad, that's not a bad model. You pay for content and you'd get it. The issue at luminary is not the paid content. Um, he won't use, it doesn't work. Exclusive content. No one really subscribes to stitcher. The issue at luminary is that for their free year tier where you're subscribing to it, you think it acts like a normal podcast app, right? Where you get, just subscribe to RSS feeds, have, have a nice directory that just, you know, just like search through those RSS feeds. But in fact what they are doing is that they have their own custom directory where they're cashing their own MP.

10:10          Three is an RSS feeds and then singing ping backs through like an original to the original feed through a proxy. And it sort of, it was a couple of questions about how this is built. Um, there's a huge thing on Twitter about it the other day because at first, yeah, you request from luminary would all be routed through Pi, like one to five Ip addresses and the luminary URLs if you, you know, scraped the network traffic from or you know, um, sniffed it from the luminary app, reaching out would only ping a luminary specific MP three file, right? It doesn't Ping like, you know, the original CDN for the MP three, it's only paying a luminary files and luminary said this was a proxy to improve speed or something like that. But at the same time though, the issue with proxy and content in this way is that you're essentially duplicating it and um, you know, it's not, it's not essentially piracy, but it's like, it's through through illegal way.

11:04          It's SORTA is since you're not, you're not, this is not the original content and this content can be modified and on and on top of that, the thing that spooked me out a particular is that for the RSS feed, they essentially do like a bulk update of it, right? So they update it once and then they update the rest of the users through the APP. It's not like each user's invalidity pinging it, which fair for me and Sadie, we don't care about analytics so it doesn't really bother me that much. But on the whole, um, even for folks who aren't doing like Gross, you know, web tracking stuff, having those network logs is still fine. Right. Like having those logs of who, what, what Ip addresses, where are they located at? It's still important to have because, because particularly for folks who are trying to sell ads, you, you, you take network luxury to take the Ip addresses and then you can also sort of, there's some programs that will help you figure out what's bought traffic and what's humans and

11:54          that fucks it all up if you're using a proxy. Yeah. So this is sort of the big issue here is that, uh, there's no, uh, so, so, so the issue is the business model of big, but like most large, large, medium to large broadcast is obviously advertising, usually Asian. The ads wrapped by the, by the, uh, podcast hosts a usually with the promo code, a code that they can be tracked to that specific pockets right now. Uh, advertisers, uh, how to figure our demographics for my po podcast. Like the people managing these podcasts, they usually have CD that like their CDN, give them statistics like how many people from x country or why country a or x region, uh, like, uh, a downloading our podcasts so that they could give that to advertisers at that evidence is going to be okay. Uh, so we, we want to advertise like this product because you have a lot of people in this reach and who can buy this product.

12:55          Uh, so it's not, that's like the basic jest of like how podcasts, like the advertising model would work, would work, like works written out. Uh, and, and the one, what this does is essentially breaks that completely is because, uh, using the proxy means that your CDN, a CDN statistics, I gotta be fucked up because you're a CDN is only going to see IP addresses that are, that belonged to I guess luminaries, servers rather the proxy service. And that's not going to like, that's not going to give you like any information at all to give to advertise. And it's actually the, the Iab I think the sort of like advertising body like, like has all these like uh, advertising standards, uh, says that if you receive that kind of traffic, like as from a statistics point of view, if we're advertising, you just, you just have to discard that statistic because it is, it is invalid.

13:46          It's not a real user. So he can't come that right. So not only is that like, not only are you not accounting that, so you're not even getting the real value out of it. So it's, it's, it's all, it's a lose lose scenario for, for basically the like, like basically, so basically the entire like business model podcasts, this as basically being like, sort of broken by this. Right. Uh, and, and there's also like luminary, um, like head art had this whole thing where they, where they'd like, uh, what day within like tweeted like this image of like a bunny holding a sign that says podcasts don't need ads. Okay. And first of all, none of our podcast had ads. And so, you know, that's, that's like that statement by itself is like, okay, you're saying that, but at the same time you're not saying that out of some like, uh, like, like so sort of some moral positioning and like, you're not like saying this as like a podcaster will hold, like, you know, move to like a different business model that you're saying this as, as like $100 million VC funded startup that you want to done.

14:53          You want to monetize, like Yoda, monetize podcasts and a specific ways you're not, you're not like, you're not like actually trying to be like, uh, you know, trying to make a statement about podcasts being like, you know, like we don't, we don't need advertising in our podcast. Uh, so that, that's, I think people were really pissed off by that as well. Right? Like people were like, okay, uh, we make our living through athletic ads and podcasts. Uh, like how are you going to come in and say that, you know, like podcasts, stony. That's right. Like that's, that's like the thing. So it's like a essentially a law office, a lot of like the uh, Ben, I'm like me sort of consternation and like the sort of the anger and I think sort of like the sort of disdain for this is that the park has still, I think are like one of the few places, uh, that it still have that sort of open web field run.

15:43          Like you basically just RSS feeds, right? Like that's like, that's like the ideal day. Like you have, you have a player, you have RSS feeds up, the podcast players essentially like glorified, uh, like, uh, like pretty Ui, a RSS feed readers, which like process the process of those feeds. And then you have a file that you pointed that like, that's like the most open web shit, right? People are just like extremely salty that you have this like VC funded bullshit coming in. Right. And like they tried to dictate like they're trying to set new rules essentially like this, trying to send a new environment here, a of an environment

16:18          they're trying to be like medium, right? Everyone who was an open web advocate when medium came along. Like I feel like there's like this lingering guilt was letting medium become a big thing. Right? And sort of letting blogs just kind of fall by the wayside. And now when it comes to podcasting, there's more of that protect us open web shit at all costs mentality going around, which I fuck with I fuck with very heavy.

16:41          Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So, yeah, let's definitely, we have seen the sort of like, yeah, like as you mentioned, medium is this big one, right? The medium just came in and like all of a sudden stuff moving to medium and et Cetera, and then stuff moving outside like recent years, uh, people like realizing that the BDM is actually garbage for their, for their platform and they want it, they want to move off of it. Right.

17:06          Or more importantly, medium hiring and firing staff like five or four different times to start the road to start paid publications.

17:13          Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's a mess. So this is like, this is a lot of like stuff that stuff is at stake, right. And like a lot of, like, there's a lot of emotion here because I think people see it realize that, hey, the podcasts, I don't last vestige of like the, uh, sort of like the open web ideals that, you know, like that the web was supposed to like, you know, like the whole RSS model, right. Uh, as opposed to we don't create and then you have this, uh, they have this thing coming in and they're, they're, they're a VC funded. They uh, they're going to be monetizing, paying the premium content is whatever. Right. Uh, that's fine. Uh, but like they're going to be coming in and then they're going to be proxying your content and then what are, what are they going to do with, like if they're approximately the content, they have a copy of your content, they can modify it as you mentioned. Right? They can,

18:09          they can do you add blog for podcasts which, which, which, you know, on a level of, I want to make something clear cause I feel like there's some push back we may get, if you are a user and you subscribe to our podcasts using a proxy, I don't give a shit. I'm fine with that. I am. I am okay with that. If you, if you took the MP three, if we ever had ads, if you took an MP three and cut out those ads and made a version of it without it, I also would not care because you were doing it yourself. However, the issue becomes when you're a million dollar company and discern, decided to start doing that for people, that's where it becomes a

18:45          yes, that's, that's a big deal. Or they, podcasters are generally not pleased with this whole situation. And I think like also there are a few other sort of ancillary bits that are important here. So we have, uh, anchor, right? Anchor made a big deal out of this anchor is obviously, uh,

19:06          what does anchor Egan anchor is going by Spotify anchors like a, I'm sort of like an app that lets you create your own podcast by using your phone's microphone, write and edit them and then publish them within the APP,

19:16          right? So anchor was like, uh, we, we think this business model is, it's too early for us to tell it. It's, it's frankly like an opaque business model and they don't, they don't see like the creators like, uh, make their money, uh, using using ads. So they notes, obviously it did not that knocked on the brush and to this, and also another interesting thing is that, uh, what was it like the gimlet media podcasts are not going to going to be on it. Right. Uh, and also the New York Times did an interesting thing where they have the rest of their podcasts in there, but then they don't have their, one of their big, like the biggest podcasts, which is the, uh, which is the daily, right. Uh, day. They did the, they didn't want to put the daily on there, but they put the rest of the rest of their podcasts on, on, on, on luminary because

20:07          I can only relate to the proxy stuff because the daily is and the least, and like the English speaking western part of the world, right. In the North America, one of the biggest podcasts. Um, so that, that would make sense as to why they're doing it as well too. He should say illuminary apparently cleared it up now. So they changed their proxy where it still exists, but it's more of like a, just a direct redirect. Right? Or, sorry, not directly redirect buddy. Uh, w w how is it called? Is it three Oh two, two we have a chance to do that.

20:33          Do you have to visually is the way to do that? And like the redirect would be the correct way to do that anyway. So, yeah, I mean I'm glad that they are not like, like did non, I mean, I guess it makes sense because it's just start it up and if this situation lake would kill them, then dead then there basically fucked up, uh, from the get go. So I'm glad that there are, they're aware that they are being talked about in, in a, in a negative fashion and they know, uh, but I'm still like overall, I'm, I'm very, I'm not happy about any of this whole, a sort of, uh, intrusion of VC funding into, into podcasting. And like, I'm, I'm, I'm extremely not a fan of all of this. Uh, even, even if they're trying to, they adapt to the, what the current model is. It's just, it just feels like, it feels like something I like that happened has happened before with medium at has happened with other networks. Uh,

21:34          the worst part about it to ray, it's like when it comes to VC money, I don't even know if like having an easy to use like podcasting app or distribution method matters because wordpress, right. Wordpress exists and blogs facility a very corporate place now. Um, I, I guess because wordpress' existing though, there is still a world of indie writers out there, right? And it's so, hey, they can still come back at any time and like full force, right? Because it's all open source software. So I guess it's, it's still in a better place than youtube or video on,

22:02          I think the sort of like, there's like, I think I'm thinking things like a hierarchy of distributing content, like difficulty hierarchy of distributing content on the line and at the bottom is his text. Wright's text doesn't blog posts and Texas the easiest content of distributed because it is oh, extremely cheap. Right? And it's like, obviously it doesn't take up much bandwidth or storage space or you know, any other resource. So you can easily get like a wordpress blog up and running or any sort of on a CDN. So sorry, a CMS, like I don't, there are many CMS as a other than wordpress or even if you have like a static site, like a static site generator, like it's really easy to get text up and running and getting, getting a distributed across the web. Uh, and then the, then you have a hierarchy level higher than that, which is audio on audio is a little bit harder to like podcasts because audio tick, tick, tick some, a bit more space and you have to worry about, uh, you know, RSS feeds, right?

22:57          You have to generate RSS feeds, you have to submit RSS feeds into directories. Uh, you have to worry about hosting the, the, the audio file itself, right? So you have to worry about, uh, CDNs, right? Do you have to what, you know, maybe pay a CDN provider, stuff like that. And it does. So that's, but it's still reasonably cheap. I think it's still, I think you can still easily do a podcast and there are many companies that are like offer all of this like in one package. So essentially you can like pay for, for like a fairly sort of achieved monthly way. And video is the hardest a distribution, the content of distributor on out because it is extremely, it's, it's, it's expensive to generate, right? Like you have to have the equipment do, you have to record, you have to uh, edit them. And editing is expensive.

23:42          It takes a lot of computing resources you to upload it, which also takes resources. Uh, you have to distribute and have, distribution is the hardest part for video, right? Like video is expensive to distribute, uh, because it is sold. Like the files are so large, you have to have a CDN provider and it usually in this scathing, in today's world, it's basically, that means that you have to upload to youtube are, are, if you're like extremely fancy, uh, uh, you probably uploaded to Vimeo, right? Uh, or something like that. But you still have to rely on like a, like a big provider. Like Youtube Feb to distribute your video. So like that's like the sort of like hierarchy of Internet, uh, media. And that's why I think like text is still like good, but podcasts are being sort of like encroached upon. I think that's, that's like the whole, uh Huh.

24:33          That's on the, on the good side though for us and people who like advocate people just to get podcasts, it's like, wow, there's a lot involved. And it's not as simple as just rolling out like a wordpress instance or signing up for a medium I fee. I still think podcasting isn't that hard to get into because while the be as well, there's, there's certain extents that me, it's Co two to try and make recording sound as nice as possible and to make our CDNs pretty quick. Like, to be honest, you kind of don't really have to do that much of optimization for it. Do you just like throw it on a, on a server, right? With like a wordpress blog and just link to the audio file and, and, and it does the rest for you there.

25:06          Yeah, you can, you can like wordpress plus, uh, like the powerpress plugin, right? Oh, and you could just put the files in the wordpress, the wordpress content folder and you can just link to that and you are and in your RSS feed and you're good. That's all. That's all you actually need to do right now. You only need to start up worrying about optimization is like, you know, you want to expand to a podcast or like you want to put it on CDNs, so downloads or faster or whatever. Right? Like those are like, like sort of that. You don't have to worry about that straight away. You think you can just get started. Uh, okay. So that's like, so the, this, this second, but I don't know if there's anything else to say at this supposedly to see what happens to the luminary. Yeah.

25:47          Oh, well, I guess there's this one last thing. It's more of a, are we on luminary or not? I mean Sadek had discussed this earlier in the week was drama was unfolding. If I was going to send a take down notice to luminary at at at the time of this I haven't and ever sent the take down. I had a drafted by never sent the take down because I wanted to see how planned out. And I think now that they're doing simple redirects for their proxy, I'm okay with not sending them a takedown.

26:10          I'm actually curious. I want, I'm going to go take a look at the web web web server, web server logs for two shades of Brown, right? Yeah. And see if there are any user agents like that are luminaries specific that, so I can find if, if there's, if there are pulling this feed, uh, on how they're pulling it in and how often they're pulling it, et cetera. I'm just curious like how they, how they operate a year. Uh, so, so that's luminary. Uh, so the next step we have leaks. We have, we have a lot of leaks. Uh, it's more like, like it's, it's this loss of league. It's more like somebody left a tap on, right? It's just like, uh, fall over the place. So we got a dub dub dub, dub dub dub DC leaks. So he got ios and Mac was sleek. So we're gonna start off with uh, macro s I suppose. So we're going to have a next major version of backhoe s ride with a hub. I think we talked about this already, right? I think, I think we talked about it. I feel like we,

27:11          well there's, we'll be talking about this one. Yeah, we talked about the music podcasts and all that apps, but I think what else poured in to talk about what this is, just that there's some other bits about how Marzipan it's coming to the Mac now because, um, nine to five back, Guillermo Rambo I believe is his name, had a bunch of leaks come out. And essentially what he's been saying is that from Marzipan, it's sort of becoming a bill target where you just check a box and the APP will run, obviously. Will that be optimized for mouse and keyboard? No. But you know, it's sort of like you just check a box that you get to get a build for an ios app with the new version a to have it run a macro is with a new version of Macalester. Yeah. While the big push is going to be for Marzipan apps this year, it looks like apple isn't yet going to be switching over all of their apps.

27:57          The Marzipan, slowly and surely, like the Apps we talked about for me, that they're gonna start implementing them, but some of the key mail app and those ones appear to not be okay. APPS that are going to be reimplemented as Marzipan under this release, which I think is like either good and kind of bad good. Because like the macro s desktop apps, a farmer functionality than the ios versions and bad, since they're not really dog food and get that much only for certain apps. But I, I guess I would rather take it where they, they moved them over once they reached feature parity versus getting a, you know, if you just downgrade, you'd get an app that actually has more features.

28:36          Uh, yeah, I mean the Marzipan thing is as willfully we'll see come June I guess window to the sea actually happens how polished offices and how polished Marzipan of what they're going to call Marzipan. Right? Like is Matt is the code name right? Then it's not like the official product name or whatever. Ah. So we'll see what, what the apple actually calls that as well. Uh, so there's also ios stuff. There's a, so are dark mode, right? Uh, global dark mode in Ios, which is, which means that everything, every ios APP, like every year, first party Ios APP is going to have, uh, dark moderator. Is that what that means? Is that

29:21          how Macalester's drug mode switch right now? Um, so tell me how happy, how happy are you?

29:25          I haven't, I don't even know because like one of the apps that I like, you know, just, just, it's just, it's just, I just, it just happened to use enough to where this is might be a problem is there is male, right? And meal is like, you're in like some dark mode app. Like you're in like I know pod, like cat box guests and then I opened mail. I'm just like x, blinded by the brightness of like the White Ui and I'm just like, can I get a dark dark mode please? Okay. And yeah, so doc mode for messages would be sweet, would be, would be fantastic. A dark mode for four male especially is going to, it's going to be brilliant. I wonder if they're going to, how are they going to, how music is going to look with a dark mode. Uh, there's going to be interesting. Uh, what else? What else do I like? The APP store, they're going to make the APP store and documented. Uh,

30:14          just didn't worry about to is actually the color choices [inaudible] going to be pure black is, it could be a shade of gray. And what about the, the primary colors and music in that, right? Do they use more muted tones are like red and yellow and blue or how does the color Palette,

30:26          I mean, I think they're going to do like pure blind because apple is moving towards all led screens. Right? Uh, so, you know, all that, all that and pure blacks, uh, goal good together.

30:36          Well, I feel like they would do a pure black on the OLED screens, but on the other ones, he's pure black hole.

30:41          That's true. That's fair. Yeah.

30:43          They do have the ability, right, to just sort of switch the color Palette depending on what device are you using.

30:47          That's true. Yeah. We'll see what sort of color choices. Uh, hope, hope they're good because, uh, if, if the Narcan, it looks bad, that's just not, it's not great. So, and there's also multitasking and I think they mean, uh, like detachable panels, right? Like, uh, pat. Okay.

31:05          Attachable panels. Do you know how, like when you're, um, using photo, think about Genpact, so it gives a better example of Photoshop. Do you have multiple panels where you can drag around and close and open for different pieces of Ui? That's essentially, they're building a native framework for that to come to the IPAD for productivity apps. Okay.

31:22          All right. So, so it's, it's, it's, it's basically like allowing out like productivity apps to be more like, you know, like have multiple windows. And like,

31:34          yeah. Do you more like complex you eyes, right? So you don't have to throw it, you have to show everything, right. You can open a brush tool and then have a brush panel show up, right. That has a different brush options and then you're done with the press tool. It goes away basically like how Photoshop used to work before he got single window mode and how gimp works now.

31:48          All right. I mean this is essentially like bringing like Max stops to two, the basically the iPad I guess like that pro. Uh, I would imagine Federico it's going to be extremely excited about all of this come June I suppose. Uh, so that's good.

32:05          Another important bit to there. They're switching the volume HUD to not be taking over to the middle of the screen now and make it more non obtrusive and like the top part of the screen.

32:14          I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, I think. Is that a good thing or isn't that, I mean it's annoying of shit.

32:20          I like, I don't like how ios right now does their volume stuff and be like windows, phone, windows, phones did it the best. Rip a android does it okay. Right now. But ios is just straight bad.

32:31          Yeah. Audio stuff in Ios is still a bit wonky. Like it's still weird. Like sometimes I still have issue where like, uh, I'm listening to a podcast on my phone and then suddenly just pauses. Like it's not just because like I got like I got a phone call or something or like some sort of other, uh, priority notification. It just, it just pauses for no fucking reason. Like it just does that. Like, I know I have no idea. Why does that, like it just spouses and then I just have to play it again. Like I don't understand. Uh, audio is full, really weird. And ios sometimes, uh, I don't know why. Uh, what are also, we have a undue gesture. Okay. So do we really care about, don't do, just to like, is that like really, uh,

33:16          I mean I never use onto right now because she ended up vices. Ridiculous.

33:20          Yeah, that's silly. I suppose it'd be useful if you are like if you, if you like do a lot of text editing on, on a, on a, on a like an iPad or whatever. So you could just like have the gesture to do it instead of of, of shaky or iPad to stops southern Larry as well though. It's like somebody just shake here other iPad to even think about it. That's like an absurd, like we're interact with the computer read. It's just like you just shaking the hedges.

33:49          Ah, shit, I fucked this thing. He just a start.

33:52          Yeah. It's like you're about to do like study said he got like a star, like a coffee shop and you're just like shaking. I pad it around to undo tax soda. You just look strange. Uh, so that's, that's, that's good as well as mmm. And also, but it's also another undiscoverable gesture that people, most people will move that we use. Right. Let's suppose

34:12          that'd be great. A A, you know how like some apps, if you hit hold down a button, you get a overview overlay with the keyboard shortcuts. Ios really needs like some form of that, but for gestures, so anytime you can just pop it up. I mean obviously maybe I guess have the ability to turn off the prompt and like an advanced settings or whatever. Right. But just for regular users, I feel like making those gestures discoverable by just giving them like a fucking diagram of what they would be really helpful.

34:37          Yeah, a lot. A lot of love. This gesture based stuff in Ios is not discoverable. Like you just have to play around with it to figure it out. But otherwise it's upon it's thought obvious. Right. Uh, snuff. That's, yeah.

34:50          What else? Safari improvements. Um, hopefully actual progressive web app support now, like full on Pwa support.

34:57          Uh, I'm not, I'm not a betting on that one. Uh, the, a fond management is this. I'm okay. Christian, are you excited for font management?

35:07          I only have to use some shitty app called any font right now. This is, no offense that shit today. I, any font developers, they're doing the best they can where you have to install custom enterprise profiles. They get special fonts in cells. It's a fucking,

35:20          I can't believe you were like, I didn't think you would actually, you actually did that. Like I didn't know. What do you use those fonts for? Like what, what of those together?

35:28          Pixel. Bader. I got like some graphic design stuff, you know, sometimes I just need font, you know, sometimes you see to like work on and do something like, I don't know, random mockups suffer, just mess around in Photoshop or whatever. Right. Or Beckett's pixel mater and he need any custom fonts.

35:41          Okay. So it's a foreign management. They're going to have no need to install a profile. As you mentioned, uh, there will be like a panel where you can just like, how will you, how will you add the funds, I guess through iTunes.

35:55          You just go to like, I'm safari download the TTF and it'll ask you to open it. Right. Or you can just share it.

36:00          Oh, the interest of the fund manager. That'd be interesting as you can probably put a due due to iTunes as well. You can just like drag it into iTunes and it'll be there. Well, iTunes is gone though. Oh, rip right rubber. If iTunes, iTunes a mail APP is getting better, fuck fucking finally, because like the mail app is like, it's all right, but it's like so basic.

36:21          I need, I need apple to do one thing and I need apple to fix a Google account support in mail. I need it happening because it's Google's problem. But it works fine in windows 10. It works fine in the windows 10 mail APP. It works fine. And like every other mail app, I don't care, whatever shitty hack apple has to do, they could make it work if they just like put in some effort to it. Cause this is the only mail app that has that problem.

36:43          That's fair. Ah, so like they're going to have a ability to organize stuffed into categories, which, which is not actually important to me because I already, I don't need that really. Uh, but the, the ability to mark messages as read later is, is pretty cool actually. That's the one neat. Um, more gestures. What else? Uh, split views. Uh, none of the split visas for, uh, for, for the Marzipan version it suppose. Uh, Yep.

37:14          Macalester is getting better. I'm window management, um, which is, which is the needed I guess. But then again, I don't know, I use Mac on it. He's Michael West on a laptop, so everything's full screen anyways.

37:22          All right. Uh, redesigned and reminders APP. Do we, does anybody use reminders? I mean I don't put like,

37:30          but I'm reminders is kind of Shit and could it could use them so it could use a redesign on,

37:36          yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's fair. I mean, I suppose a lot of people do, like even if like it's the first party Apps, I'm, there's definitely going to be a lot of a use for it. Uh, I like, I don't use reminders, I just use Omni focus and stemmed or just the calendar and for whatever. But like a new volume hot. We already mentioned that. So that those are the ios slash Mac related shit. Like it's such a breaking Mac stuff to Ios, which is, which is interesting. Uh, the last bit, uh, theory shortcuts, screen time, uh, are coming to Mac. So this is the other way around. We got, uh, ios features on Mac. So he gets three shortcuts. Screen time. How excited are you for Siri shortcuts?

38:23          Here's how interested I am in this. MMM. Actually quiet but because I want to know is workflow and serious shortcut support only going to work on Marzipan apps and not any classic Mac.

38:35          That's, that's a good point. Yeah. Like how are they going to interact with the rest of,

38:39          because honestly automation on a desktop, a Wes fucking great. Right? Like, like that, that, that's that good shit. I, I would use it more. I use like, um, I used a little bit of automator. I don't really care to learn apple script though, but he's like a little bit stuff for file management stuff, but I don't know if any of that, it's like going to work right. With like the series shortcuts slash m slash workflow stuff.

38:59          Yeah. So, so is this, is this like going forward going to be the replacement for apple script? Are they planning on like, you know, deprecating, uh, apple script going forward? I don't know. I know, I know a lot of power mat Mac power users use apple scripts a lot. Like they use that like significantly. Uh, there are a whole like sites that have like all these apple scripts then he can use it with like stuff like iTunes and whatever. Right. Uh, so like I would imagine there's going to be a lot of lot of stuff that needs to get replaced if they're going to replace apple script. I think that's the just of and the and also like how is like series shark is going to integrate into it. Yeah. Non non-apple apps. It's clear. That's okay. So those sweet time, I mean, uh, that's fine. I guess I don't use screen time but like it's also like it's good to have that. It's sort of like sync over it and like be integrated in the Mac as well. Uh, Trisha, do you use screen time at all? Like is this is the thing you do

40:04          look at it every now and then? I don't know. My thing too is like my phone usage. I'm actually, I don't know, maybe it's because I have like a smaller phone screen. I barely, like the most I'll do is get like a couple hours of youtube a week on my phone. When I'm at work, I don't really like have that problem being 24, seven on my phone. I probably spend more time on my laptop or like, you know, and then I do like my actual phone.

40:25          Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm on my, I'm well for bomb, so like basically I'm at my desktop all day, so my phone's screen time is actually fairly low. Uh, but I like a lot of screen time on my, on my iPad for, but it's for like videos, so it's like, it's, it's not like Basslink up. I'm not, I don't need like the Ostp to manage screen time for me. So, uh, so I guess, uh, that's fine. Um, what else? Is there anything else you want to talk about, about, is that it?

40:57          Honestly, I'm just more interested in seeing how does it implement it. Even WWC comes around. Yeah,

41:03          we got a month. Oh, well, yeah, I mean, damn, it's already me. That's okay. That's, yeah. Time is moving fast. How we're here. Uh, so as always, I think you can find a on two shades of brown.com contact us. Contact the two shades of brown.com is the email address, which goes to both of us. Don't, don't send us your, I don't know, spam, I guess. Don't send spam.

41:29          Please don't ask to have your articles put on our website when this podcast.

41:35          Yeah, I mean, does that, does this, I guess they just get scraped, like emails. If you put an email on a site that's going to get scraped, hey, that's just how it is. But, uh, so don't do that. Um, you can find us on Mastodon at static safe, uh, at mastodon dot. Samba cloud dot. Calm and Christian, where can people find you

41:55          on the, you could see, you could find me getting excited about Google io next week. I done mastodon actually to find a 10 fold reduction

42:03          social. Oh, right. Uh, and also shut out. This is the, today's the eighth anniversary of an entrepreneur. Uh, the IRC network. Uh, the cushion and I, and a bunch of other people. I've been around for a long time now, so wait, isn't really been [inaudible] it's April 28th, 2011. Yeah. Wow. That it's fuck world. We're not even, that'll uh, when it's just been around like eight years. I used to be a channel on, uh, on freenode on freenode. Yeah. We used to be a, we used to be in for, we all met on, on the this weekend Linux RSE channel, uh, uh, 12 the 12 channel on freenode and then we made our own channel. I think it was asinine. Tech editor then became, uh, RSE dot has nine tech.com. And then we decided to, I think entropy. The name was my idea at some point. I'm not very original. Uh, so that you get, that's what you get a, you get IFC dot [inaudible] dot net. So if you, if you, you know, if you still use RSC, come hangout with us, I don't know, be a B Corp.

43:10          Yeah. And, um, and if you're the person who owns entropy.net just entropy. Dot. I not done it. If you're the post, the person who owns that, there's at least five emails from 2012 that I would like to do to respond.

43:22          Oh my God, whoever owns that has owned that since the 90s. And they were not interested in selling

43:29          13 nagging them about it and they were not interested in selling it.

43:33          Yeah. I mean I think I'm looking at the creation then on that dominion. It was, it was created in 1999 so you know, like I'm not the, I'm not sure

43:41          it's 20 years old,

43:43          is that dance. We're not, unless the person dies, I didn't expire. This is like or something when it's dark. Holy Shit. That's the only way we're going to get, I get her hands actually actually hold up. Hello. Yeah. It's like that's the only way we're going to get her hands on it. And it's like, it's the expiry date on that is like 20, 22. So wherever has led us, kept a renewed constantly. Uh, so when we're not going to get our hand on it, I'm done. Unless it's some out like expires and nobody else buys it. But yeah. So the come join us, say hi on IRC, if you use IRS syncope, joc, come say hello. Uh, and with that,

44:15          oh, actually one, one last thing. So, um, the time to get sappy then for the eight year anniversary. Okay. All right.

44:24          I will say that, well, I want to say that at be probably is one of the few spaces, especially in the world before mastodon and these other very queer and open spaces online where there was a majority of users who are just gay for East Trans folks and people of Color. Um, and, and it was, it was kind of rare since I, I came into tech with that expectation, right. If that being the norm since that's like the first group I found myself in, which obviously now is like not how it works, but, um, you know, just for that space being, um, you know, around an existing for people to come in and I know there's been a drama and other things, other things that we, that we could've done better. Um, you know, a lot of DDOSS is, you know, a lot, a lot of silly stuff, but no, like, um, you know, I just just want to say thank you Rachel and thank you Sadiq for running that place is eight years.

45:22          Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really happy that we started this. Like I don't think any of us were like, I don't think any of us realized at that specific time that what we were, we were actually dealing like, uh, we just want it to like fuck around. Like it's like compile a fucking Jairus he demon and configure it and learn how to do that and then install it and have, I have a community and then you realize you are actually building a really dope community over time. And like that's been around a, as a place that people come, a lot of, lot of people have come by. Uh, people have come by and people have left entropy bayonet, like a caffeine junkie who was, well, he's one of the original founders of entropy that hasn't been around for a long time now. Uh, so, so then, then like, I'm like, stuff happens like this that was obviously a lot of drama. The network was renamed at some point, which I'm not going to mention the name because it's, it's essentially a named, it does not exist, uh, as, as far as I'm concerned because it was bad that period, uh, an entrepreneur, it's history, but you know,

46:27          that was the kind of place that I bring up this story only because you can fucking Google it and it's like, if you will chose to find, it's like before for assault on the second page because some asshole put it on Irc d I know who that asshole is. I know we're gonna get past that or gay bash. That org of beaver counting, uh, like one of my first dates when I was like a sophomore or a freshman in high school, um, like it was, it was teens being teens. But at the same time, I feel like compared to, especially nowadays, the how vulgar and discussing these discord servers get, like, it was like a pretty healthy place that grow as everyone is accepting and shit was out in the open sea.

47:05          Yeah. It's see, and people kept logs and Rse Rse I like to joke, it seems like a fairly, can be like a fairly small communities. It feels like everybody knows each other among certain circles. So you know, if you're an asshole, I Larisey the news spreads fast. So like, you better, you know, better not be an asshole because if you're a hustle in like an hour, everybody's going to know you're an ask. So those are, don't do that. Uh, so that, that's, that's how I guess a happiness. Go to entropy.dot.net and has the details if you want to connect or whatever, uh, check that out. I went that Ashley, goodbye.