00:26          Hi, I'm Sadiq and

00:27          I'm Cristian.

00:28          And this is episode 95 of shades of Brown. Uh, and this week we're talking, this is going to be a tech Poll heavy episode. So I guess, uh, this first segment is going to be tech Paul. There's just tech like it's, it's, it's just tech land a at the topic is uh, Huawei versus, uh, versus the first of the United States of America. Uh, it's uh, it says not a legal case, but like it is, it is a, it is a big deal. It is. Uh, so what, what's like the, some like it wasn't a summary like in one sentence it's basically that Huawei has been okay. Band are, or it's going to be banned, right? Like did I think there was a window of time that they were given 90 days, 90 days too to stop doing business with United States with the United States, like American companies, right. Basically like you can't do business with the man states. MMM. Okay. So let, let's start with, this is not a new, like this is not a new thing. It's not the first time the status thing has, uh, has occurred with Huawei. Right. And I think he was ZTE as well. That happened then.

01:38          Cheers. Iti was also placed on the end dealers for a brief amount of time due to them doing deals with Iran. And the case of Huawei though, the thing about Huawei is that there have been no evidence, just a bunch of security people being like, yeah, there's some shit happening. And then reporters are like, what? Shit? And they're like, yeah, there's some shit happening. And then reports reporters are just like, but, but what shit is happening? And the, and the government's just like, yeah, man, some shits totally happening by then. Now they've been placed on the entity list, which means that they can not do any business with any American company or American consumer.

02:14          Let's, let's put something in the prospective. So Huawei and why, like what stuff they're taught, the security or whatever is the Huawei makes uh, yeah. Networking equipment and I'm beating my networking equipment. I mean, stuff that runs it in the core of networks. So like routers, switches, uh,

02:31          cell towers, like, like the is like that sort of like the record infrastructure.

02:35          Sure. Really core infrastructure for wireless and wired communications had a lot of, lot of companies in the United States, like especially wireless Isp, uh, use Huawei hardware and dress cover is probably various USI ESPs use while we are hardware because it is a, it is reasonably priced right. Uh, and it has the functionality of the needs. So, and especially

02:58          what's even funnier, right, is that it's a lot of, uh, not funny or I guess, but amusing is that it's a lot of Midwestern rural, um, carriers that use it. So places that are traditionally Super Republican and Super Conservative are the places that have a lot of Huawei equipment in them because it turns out it's cheaper and they need to save money. When you have neural area and you're trying to provide service to a smaller, you know, smaller community.

03:23          Yeah. It's like the margins are so thin, you need to, you need to worry about it. You can't worry about what countries, hardware you buy because it's, it's not, it's not going to be, it's not gonna make much sense. So yeah, Huawei is why it makes a lot of networking hardware and, okay. There are concerns that while it is, since while it is a Chinese company that it is, it's an arm of the Chinese intelligence services and that the, that the like the work with Chinese intelligence services to put, uh, implants of some sort in hardware, like a two to snoop on, on network traffic, which, you know, like, okay that, that like, you know, like four do, doing like surveillance like that. Yeah, that makes sense. But there is like that has literally been no public evidence brought forth to that claim. Like there is, I don't think there's been zero evidence, uh, if there was evidence that would be a huge deal because there has so far has been knowing that I would imagine if there is intelligence, it is, does, is that the NSA has and it is all classified. Uh, so yeah, so that there's no evidence. Yes. Uh, regardless of evidence or not, uh, the US government is in the middle of a trade war. Right. Uh, to put, put it lightly, I guess I like, I'm not, I don't know the details.

04:47          Well, essentially it's fair in a trade where right now tariffs in a bunch of other bullshit, which this is a casualty of, I'm not exactly a cause for it. Um, yeah. Oh, the tariff on a whole, the whole trade war situation and I hate calling it a trade work. It's not an actual war. It's more of like economic bullshit. But the idea is that, um, this will somehow, you know, revitalize American, the American economy in places that it hasn't been thriving in, in recent years. While while we're also pushing out immigrants who would be doing that Labor to begin with and not native born citizens and somehow having a trade war that affects Eka, uh, electronic companies and tech companies in foreign markets will bring back American jobs. Um, while the EAC like this, it doesn't make much sense. It doesn't make much sense unless he, unless he follow like a very, a very specific economic like fairy and the sort of logic.

05:45          But for the most part it's bullshit. Um, and this particular is bullshit because if Google can't do business of hallway and arm can do visit the hallway and we also pulled out of the um, this one trade deal, I forgot the name of it in Brazil, right. That that would make a countries have sort of like a core like copyrights standard they'd hear too for licensing and stuff and like some really neat niche like trade agreements came out of, well we can just like make arm chips, Blake. So arm can't do business with hallway. Do they manufacture them in China? The people in China, I know how to build them and know how it works and China's a plant as a manage the economy. And so Apollo was like, well if these American companies won't work with us, what if we just like built our own arm chips and like our own in terms of, well, in terms of hardware, right?

06:37          Because when it comes to software, it's little trickier since, um, not having access to the play store will hurt them in a markets outside of China where place our access is needed. But at least in terms of being able to build devices since so much of the stuff is manufactured in China, they can just easily clone it. And they already do to an extent. Um, specific companies clone it so they could just like take arm schematics and just make them right. And what does our, I'm going to do arm can't do business with them anyways, so they can't sue them. And what is it? What does it, Chinese government, I can let them have a lawsuit in China about it. Cause obviously you try it, it's going to prevent, protect their own, you know, come on.

07:11          Yes. The Chinese government is not going to be sympathetic. Two, two arm coming in and being like, Huawei, stop sealing a shit because like that's the, all of this, all this is happening. So arm is out and arm to, to be clear is not a US company. It is, uh, it is, uh, mmm. A British company, but it says that it's designs contain us origin technology. So they feel it would be in violation of the u s export pan, which, which is wild by the way. Like that is there is, that is some,

07:49          okay. Uh, so arm his arm does on my arm designs associates like how does Hawaii design soc, so that's uh, yeah, Huawei is like, has its next generation as a c be carrying the 95 like far enough ahead in like production that it like the loss of arm like shouldn't be like a problem. Right. And going forward, if this continues for a long time, uh, then I don't, I don't think in walnut isn't like wow, it has to start doing building their own schematics and designs. Like basically immediately they want, I, they want to stay in the VSOC business. Uh, so like there is there, is there stuff like having, there's also like, just like display companies, right. There is, um, what else? Who, who, who pulled out? Uh,

08:41          I believe at Intel, Intel pulled out Google. Microsoft hasn't officially pulled out yet, but they've d listed all hallway hardware from their stores because while we actually makes pretty nice windows laptop. Yeah,

08:52          yes, I heard of that. Yeah. And I think Microsoft pulled that out and they haven't made an official announcement because I think that involves, uh, because it is affected their stock price. Right. Uh, so it has to involve lawyers and uh, like they have to make a proper statement, right. It has to be like otherwise the sec is going to be mad at Microsoft. So, uh, and like what, uh, what else is affected? So there's software, right? Android.

09:22          So mainly it's just no access to the play store. Um, no access to the two windows. Right. And that's like, that's like the biggest crutch because hardware, I feel like, you know, hardware, you can always clone hardware. Even if you clone software, it's about services and Ra and just not having access to even have those services on your device are going to hurt you. Um, he's say what? Say like hallways that has a plan B, right. Of making their own android base. So as is there an APP store when you ship to outside of China, you know, China's fine, but outside of China where like having Facebook and having other apps that are American made actually matter, there's still fucked on that.

09:55          MMM. Yeah. So, so the, the hardware part seems like who I think while we can solve that bit, it's the software that's going to be the issue for them. Uh, like I like why, like why do I get the feeling this isn't going to last very long. I feel like, like this happened with Zte, right? Like did this happen? And then the main deal, quote unquote,

10:17          right? Well, but the problem is, is right that ZTE is Iti was just dealing if I ran and they were like, oh, we'll stop dealing if I ran and then we're good. Um, but with this, this is just a casualty in a broader trade war, right? So the resolution to this is also a resolution to a whole bunch of other political stuff, right? Who always just like a casualty in, in the, and the trade wars. So only if China and, and you know, the US sort of make an agreement where then we would then Huawei be restored access. And at that point, like why would, while we keep trying to work with American companies, right. If they can just easily just turn on them.

10:53          So 20, 20 after the after u s elections, I guess so like, I don't think it's like, I don't think then doesn't, the problem is not going to be solved until London. Do we have a new president in office, our new, uh, a new, the administration, a new Department of Commerce, uh, like it's, yeah. S like I'm, I'm, I'm speaking like abstractly, but because I don't know,

11:19          I mean it's, it's tricky because right. Like there's, there's a one resolution to this specific problem, right. And the ripple effects have already been made, right? Like, it's not as if even if always allowed access tomorrow, like, no one's going to now trust the u s right. Moreso than they already do. Um, like it's more so than something already. Yeah. But, but this is just, it's Faqih and like this is like even weirder, right? Because like the how, think about how this affects open source. Like I know the Vergecast mentioned a little bit recently and their own episode on it, but like open source is sort predicated on the idea that each country and the world respects of civic license. Yes. One of the dumb what? Yeah. What if you don't respect the license? What did you have no recourse for people who violate the law, right?

12:03          What would it just rips all the OSB and then don't, don't open source it. Like what were we going to do? What does Google, what is Google going to do?

12:15          The Google cal. You can't do business with them. So there's nothing that they can do. Like this fundamentally breaks one of the core tenants of opening,

12:21          sorry. This is, it's like carpenters relies on, on the, on the mutual agreement, right? Like the mutual agreement that you're gonna, you're gonna follow this, this contract, this, this, this license that, uh, the one MSPs under what the Apache license, uh,

12:36          tender one of the ones that requires you to, um, contribute back.

12:39          Okay. So what of want to just like takes the co like you just four of the code that just take it, the clarinet that they don't contribute any changes back. Uh, the, they just just are in an island by themselves to just develop it.

12:55          There's nothing you can do. Huh?

12:57          And there isn't. There is, I mean I would miss my as if there aren't Chinese companies already doing that. Like I'm like, like the probably doing that in secret, but the problem is still doing it. Uh, the okay. It's okay. Uh, yeah, there's literally nothing like how it is no one forcement how are you going to enforce the GPL at China or not? The GPL lies with the open source licenses.

13:21          I mean Shit, even the GPL too, right? Like how can you actually enforce some open source like licenses in some countries? Like does that even matter? Like

13:31          I mean it depends on the country. The right, like depends on what, what treaties are in place and which countries have signed to the

13:36          various, like I feel like open source is just only works because of how like fuck he, the u s of a copyright is there. It's like open source. It's just like the open source licenses. There's just like a hack on, on existing us copyright and we've just tried to export it out to most of the world are shady copyright laws.

13:53          So basically because, because like so like yeah, that's like one thing where I think the Dee, the licenses were designed in the US corporate system in mind. So like, Oh boy, oh boy, we're in, we're in far. Uh, we were in for a, I mean this, this isn't something to be the end of this news. I suppose gonna have going to have more in the future. Uh, so is that all that is talking about? I don't think there's much else.

14:23          Most of it, yeah. There's a lot of what ifs here and it's, you know, like you can either, I feel like, what do we begin to like Tech Paul? You just end up like, it's like one set from AI just taking over everything, you know, like that's like the end and that end game of like, oh, like playing life. Yeah. Yeah. Just like playing like a what if situation, right? It is ends of like AI eating us all.

14:46          Oh my God, yes. Yeah. It's last. That's going to be a Scifi novel

14:50          by Ai.

14:52          Jesus Christ. I'm so sorry. I'm, and I've got to put a content warning on this episode. Just, yeah, just like, just like, like countryside. Ai is just fighting each other. That's, that's the future. Uh, like country back to AI is just like fighting each other. It's like AI wars. Um, it's, except it's, it's less fun, uh, because everyone else has kind of the middle of a bunch of the guys finally. Okay. So let's, let's move on to something a little bit. Um, a palate cleanser, a palate cleanser from all this, uh, tech politics and, uh, for a, okay. Because you stop the content. Warning on this episode is going to be amazing. Everybody to be so confused. Uh, glorious. Okay. So let's talk about the play date. Uh, so played it, uh, uh, two companies involved in this, right? So this, uh, this, uh, it's a, it's a handheld gaming system. MMM. Little Small Game Bar looking bang

16:00          made by Mac software developer panic and teenage engineering panic makes really great Mac apps and Ios apps for like developers and make like a really good web ide called Coda. They make a really dope FTP APP called transit. They make, they make a lot of good apps. Um, and they've also recently branched out into publishing video games. Recently they published an Yep. Firewatch and a couple other games to put, getting working on getting out this year. And so for the 20th anniversary, decided to make a portable gaming system for black and white screen and a fucking crank and a headphone Jack and a USB type C port.

16:36          Oh, okay. Uh, so it has, it has, it has two buttons, right? Uh, well, three, three buttons. Well, I mean like to face buttons, right. As he would call them. So A and B, right. And it has a d pad, right? Uh, it has a power, but I think that's a power button on the right. Uh, right of the screen. I think that's probably been, uh, and there was, as you mentioned, a headphone Jack and uh, a crank and the crank is, I guess, I guess, uh, as a part of the input. Oh, so you use the crank for four games on it. So, so the way this is going to work, it's a little yellow colored thing designed, but he needs engineering and teaching engineering is the folks who design stuff like bop one. So just go good as go to their website, teenage.engineering. Great domain. Uh, just, just look at the stuff and the designer. You'll see why this is cool. Uh, so they're going to have on launch 12 games, right? So on launch they're going to have 12 games. But the thing is every week there's going to be like a new game release. So it's like the kid, it's just going to be like, you buy the hardware, you're going to have I guess, one game, right? Or is it like, it's like can't the game

17:50          after you buy it? I guess, I don't know. Yeah. You buy it. And so they have one season, right where it's one game each one day and then afterwards they have not given much information on the next season's a games or how, like all I was going to work out after the fact.

18:03          Yeah. So I would imagine the success of this is going to determine if you're going to get more of this more seasons I guess. So there's gonna be 12 games, so that's going to take 12 weeks or three months, right. Three months to get 12 games right on the, on this thing. Uh, and it's, it's going to cost, um, 149 US dollars, uh, and there, and it says it'll ship in early 20, 20. So that's, that's like the gist of the device. So Christian and like what, what do you think? What do you like? What is, what is, what are your thoughts on this? Like is this good? Is this bad? Is this cool?

18:42          I feel like this device is only blowing up as much as it has just because like I, I, it's a mobile device with like a black and white screen. Like this lady has been done before. There's not anything new or novel about it, but I think that just, it's like, no, it's like the Portland of the Internet, right? Like you know all the people who've been on Twitter since 2008, right? Like all the Internet cool. Kids like it. Like literally like all this, all the influencers, all the influencers are down with this.

19:13          A motherfucking John Gruber said this is like the best product lines launched. Could've been lot press of launch since the original iPhone, which is, I don't know that if I want to call that hyperbole or if John is just like I like out of his mind or something. It doesn't get shit. Uh, ballet.

19:29          Okay.

19:29          Yeah. You mentioned too that the Internet, cool kids are like fucking okay, uh, losing their shit.

19:36          But to be honest,

19:37          the tubing, to be really honest, this is just, this is just like, like a novelty device by a company that makes useful stay. Like teenage engineering doesn't make like novelty like Dimmick. I di, I mean there are a novelty but they also make,

19:57          they make really useful tools and sodas panic. So like it's like a cute, it's like a cute device, right? But like Aye, I'm happy it exists and I'm happy that people are gonna like it. But like I just don't need to spend 150 bucks on a mobile device in another like physical piece of hardware to play like 12 games. Right. That are, that are meant to be like, it's kind of small. Like I, I'm happy that this exists and you know, I'm glad that this is like a fun, hackable piece of hardware that people can mess around with, but at the same time, like, I don't know. It's cool. I guess I feel like people are just going wild over it because, because like it's all the influencers are down with it. Right. So like F and was like, all the influencers who want to act like they're not influencers with, they're actually kind of influencers because they've been around, they've been around forever. Like, you know, it's like the apple blogosphere, they're all just going wild about it. And I the cool, I'm like, I'm indifferent on this existing.

20:45          It's just, yeah. Yeah. There's this certain vibe to it that, uh, I guess like, uh, I dunno. Like I don't panic makes good software. There's nothing like [inaudible] has been making good stuff. The, I've been aware of Patty for a lot of the transmitters is, this is all good stuff. Um, I used to use transmit back in the day. Uh, like I, I haven't used anything other than trans do I know, but like the other stuff is very, very good.

21:08          I use a code on my iPhone.

21:10          Yeah, I've heard like location as well, like prompt, like the CIO, the SSIS client and like quota at India. Like that stuff is good. Um, interesting. Like they, they're branching out into game publishing. Uh, Firewatch was obvious fire, which was a very good game. And this is, this is, this is like this, this device fields, like if you made an electronic device in the world of Firewatch, this would be that device. Like it's very Firewatch if you know what I mean. They do, you understand what I'm saying? Like it's like this sort of aesthetic, a field and they get the yellow right and it has this cute a crank on it, which seems very simple but very like something, uh, that would be in Firewatch. Uh,

21:52          like I guess you mean like, so what I say, I'm about to say something that might be a little spicy, but I don't mean as if any sort of negativity, but it's like the physical embodiment of a walking game simulator, you know, like this sort of like, it's more of an art piece. It's more of an art piece than it is like an interactive experience, which is not a bad thing.

22:12          No, it's not missing. No, it's not a bad thing. But people are, I think some people are saying this, but people disproportionately losing their shit about it. I mean maybe, maybe people just, right. It seems to be a complete product. Uh, it seems to have a po, it seems to be shipping with 12 games. There's a plan. There is, there's a roadmap. It's a road roadmap. Uh, [inaudible] it seems to have a cool little gimmick. Lindy, the crank isn't giving, uh, it seems to be, it's designed by a company that is known for designing like really cool looking hardware so that there's that part. And other than that, yeah,

22:51          I feel like it's going to be hackable too. And that that's actually where it's exciting. I feel like I bought, they wrote their own customer West for it. So I mean like at some point it doesn't, it just makes sense for them to make it hackable. Right. Like why does have a USBC port on it and like a headphone Jack and a crank and like an open board and like, you know, like schematics for it, for it to be three d printed and all of that online. If it's not intended to be hackable, I feel like, I feel like for this is going to be a hackable device.

23:17          That's not me. That's good. I mean if it is, yes, that's good. And uh, what else? Like on the, I fixed the teardown sure. This is going to be glorious. Um,

23:29          I would say speaking about, I fix a tear downs. There's a, there's another tear down of interest and they did this week, um, apple updated the back book pro for speeding.

23:38          Oh yes.

23:41          So it's actually what's interesting with the speed bump is like, Yay. More speed bumps, but I don't know if putting a core I nine and the current macbook pro design actually helps because like the thermals, like that's a, that's a beefy processor and this, this, this computer can only thermal throttle and like ventilate so much because of the size of it and then how it's designed. So I actually don't know if you get that much performance out of it, but, but more importantly though, they added a new material for the keyboard. So we're on revision three and this is keyboard was announced in the same day. It was also put into the keyboard extension person.

24:13          Yeah. For the warranty. So the new keyboard is in India in the next session. So, so know this, they announced this just before, I don't know DC DC is next week. Uh, and this is just going to be a small SPEC bump, which is fine. And then like is is the, is the keyboard I got to redesign the keyboard. I was like what is, what is going on? Is this last last model of this keyboard, uh, design like what is going on and yeah, like the, the I nine and it is why would you, why even,

24:48          I mean I guess it makes sense, right? So we will need an I nine but like are you actually going to get the full potential of that [inaudible] maybe if you have it like plugged in and like in a super chilled room, but like [inaudible] back books aren't so like back books aren't sold, right. Mac Book Pros Aren't slow. It just, when you put her processor that powerful and eight core processor and a laptop in general, you need really good ventilation for it. Right. Like, even for windows, laptops, then profile laptops can't really work with eight core processors like that just because they start throttling like wild when you, you know, have a heavy workflow and Mac books have always been a little bad at, I'm keeping sustained workflows, but like, you know, video exporting or like anything more intensive, like audio export is pretty fine, but you get to some workloads just without having it plugged in and having like doctored or external GPU, it doesn't really keep up that much or that well when it comes, you know,

25:37          yes. On the compute power throttling, right. Just for the sake of the thermals. Right. You can't, like physics is a thing you can't escape, you can't escape it. Gas can escape the heat production from these, from these high end I seven or nine processes. Like you're going to the funeral, getting processes running, you're getting the GPA, we're running like that's, that's a lot of heat that needs to go somewhere. Uh, and he used to be ventilated and d these, these laptops, I don't think I have not ventilation to sustain. Uh, that's sort of like, so same that sort of like, like high, high power usage, high heat, uh, he production. Okay. Usage of computers. Like that's the stuff that's designed for desktop tower PC, right? Not, not, uh, not these thin macbook pros. Right? Like if you, if you buy like one of those expensive things like the p series, I think pads that are like, like bulky, uh, lily like workstation machines.

26:35          Those have a lot of those have ventilation. Uh, does that fans, right? You can even get here the van's going like, it's like those are needed to make those even remotely possible. Um, like I, I don't know, like hello, I'm a Mac book. Portals are still like, I mean they are in what ways does no, if you are going to use a Mac, there's no choice between a, which works standard. We stationed machining need for portable years. If it's going to be a mega pro, there's another option. Um, but yeah, like that's like the domain of yeah. Dustup terrorists that's not, can just make a, just put an I nine in a fucking, uh, aluminum body.

27:18          I mean you can, but then it looks like a fucking Predator, a laptop. It's like three inches thick, which actually like if someone needs that kind of power, right? Like obviously I go for it.

27:26          Yeah. I mean like I'm not like, like I know when people, there are people who are going to really need that. Like people who who do workstation level stuff but needed to be like,

27:36          yeah,

27:36          like not a desktop. They need to be portable. Right. Uh, and that's the, that's what this is catering to that is, I mean it's an expensive machine as well, but um, yeah. Um, the, the, there's always a, there's already been that, that, that are slash apple reddit post, uh, about like thermo is affecting like the keyboard, right? Like the, uh,

28:00          that's what actually I imagine, I imagine they made a new material cause like I fix it was able to see there's in material, but you know, they even better, they say put in there and tear it down. Like we need more advanced equipment to be, to tests like these two materials to see what the true differences. But my guess is that material, you know from last year's Mac book and the off from this year's macbook likely just performs better with heat. Right. Cause it's likely it's the designs was probably shit in terms of like the machine heats up, you also get crumbs on it. Both those mixed together lead to a very bad time. Um, so I imagine that they're trying to tackle it from both angles. Right. And make it distribute heat better so it doesn't make the keys warp or anything like that in terms of structural integrity and then also keep preventing debris from getting in there, which is just band aids on a bad design. But I mean I'm, I'm glad that at least kind of acknowledging that the keyboard has a problem now. Um, although it's even more interesting like if my macbook broke Brooklyn but I have 2018 macbook pro and I bring it in, I actually get this new material when

28:57          yes, they are good ways to keyboard just I guess because the replacing the body, the keyboard, it's just going to replace it with the new one.

29:04          Only this bottle though. Not any prior ones, but like you, you have like, you have some devices still like be the macbook airs using the third generation one, but the, but the 12 inch Mac book isn't even a second generation one and neither of those are getting this new keyboard.

29:20          So there's this whole like cub couple of generations of laptops that are basically fucked keyboard ones. Right. This, is that what you're saying?

29:27          Yeah, basically. Yeah. I mean honestly I haven't had any issues yet with this macbook. The macbook, like the 12 inch I had before this, that one had the first generation butterfly keyboard and that one broke on me once or twice. I honestly though

29:41          I haven't had an issue with my Mac book pros keyboard at all. Um, so I,

29:46          I feel like they're there in improving the reliability of it, but this is obviously new new designs was really needed. Please, please, will you just Redo just how many times I have we talked about this fucking butterfly. A keyboard, like I swear like if there's like a Bingo card of like Shane's a brown topic. Every, every tech podcasts. Do you mean it's not even ours is like every tech podcast, the verge. It's like every fucking tech podcasts. It's like the butterfly keyboards, butterfly keyboard. They, I've heard the term butterfly keyboards so many times and I'm not even hanging out on, on fucking keyboard forums that much. It's just like God just, just it, I don't know, just put it in some good keyboards like it's done like keyboard designers, like some, like some new area of, of, you know, you have to keep the a, you have to keep the laptop as low profile as possible, mate.

30:43          But you can't, you can't, you can't increase thickness. What, what, who did, what kind of monster are you trying to make things more thick? Johnny Ives just staring at me from, from the apple campus right now. Uh, that'd be spooky if he was, I was like, I was like awkwardly, like just take off your shirt. Then it just see, just see, just see what gets phased out. Smoke out. Johnny Ive, if he's trying to spook you, you out spook him. Oh my God. I don't think, I mean have this thing has like a cry nine, like eight core. This is the first time I there's an eight core processor. Right. Done. [inaudible] doesn't think the first time. Yeah. It's the first time in a Mac book. David eight core processor. Um, so I feel like, I feel like, you know on on the whole though doing general Spec bugs like this is actually a pretty good idea and someone that I support, I'm just not in this design does not in this design.

31:29          Yeah. Like who's like, okay say if you figure, if you're buying this and you do by like, like the 15 inch macbook pro and you, you are, you are at work. So you need something that's like able to do video editing and like, you know, I don't know like three d rendering Maya or like Adobe premiere, like all that Shit. Like you're buying like a high end 15 inch Mac book pro. It's going to be like, what, like four grand, six, five grand minimum, right? Um, like the John Rubenstein joggers article, it says like the Mac Stout, uh, FY 15 inches, like $6,000, 6,000, $500 or 549. Like, that's, that's, that's for that kind of money. If you've, unless you really need math ILS, why would he not get a Greeley really good thing, pat, like as like a p series thing, like equivalent. Uh, I mean, honestly, really, really need or want Macalester like this. Literally like, well, why, why is, why would he get get dynein version? Even like a, maybe just put the ice seven in. They're like, yeah. What? Like is there anything else to talk

32:40          about? Like, I feel like our episode this week, it's gotta be like, no, I feel like it's pretty short because it's just all, everything leading up to a big WWDC episode next week. Um, so we're, we're, you know, we're gonna be recording after WWTC. Um, I just think that there's, this whole week she's got overshot by the whole Huawei situation and then apple releases new Mac books that made everyone yell about keyboards again. MMM Beano I feel like, I feel like, you know, the summer is actually been a pretty quiet summer, um, compared to other summers because like it, like last summer I feel like it just didn't stop it just like it was one thing after another. But this one seems like it's a, the cadence of things. It's a,

33:12          and even, even the big d developer conferences haven't been all that, all that like news worthy to be honest.

33:19          Yeah. Like deputy probably be the most exciting just because we finally get to know like what's the true plan for Marzipan.

33:24          Yeah. I want to see, I was 13. I wanted that. That's what I, that's what I'm curious about. I want to see what do you want your dark mode? Yeah. One of my dark man. Please, please. For the love of God gave me my dark mode in mail, please. Oh, well let's wrap this up. Um, so you can find the show notes to shades of brown.com. Um, and you can email us, contact two shades of brown.com. You can find me on Mastodon at static save and mastodon done. Zomba cloud.com and Christian, where can people find you?

33:56          You can find me online at chose to fan at ten four. Dot. Social chose it out online.

34:02          Oh, and I think that that's all there is for this week. Uh, it's, it's, it's a bonanza episode. It's going to be, it's going to be, we haven't had one of those in a, in a little while. Um, they, it's going to be a big one. Uh, that one is going to be probably, Yep. Like an hour long minimums. So like, that's good. Let's go. Goodbye. Yep. Bye.