00:26          hi, I'm Sadik and I'm Christian. And this is episode 98 of shades of Brown. And this week, Megan, how are we going to start off with some small computers and now a very small computer as we are going to be starting with the new, uh, did the new raspberry Pi for which was, uh, nouns. Okay. A this Monday rarely and it came out of nowhere. To be honest. I don't think anybody was expecting, I think people were expecting another raspberry pie until next year. But I think the, the, the designs were done faster than they expected. So, uh, so you have a new raspberry Pi, raspberry Pi for add. It's good because it is, it can, it has a faster CPU. Uh, do you get, you can get up to four gigs of Ram as a model with four. So you have three models, right? Three options. You got, you got one Gig to Gig and four Gig, right?

01:20          So depending on what, how much do you want to spend and what your used cases. Oh, four, four Gig, uh, is amazing. And like the Pi three was limited to one cake. So this is like a huge, huge tail. A, there's also another huge big deal, which is really good from networking perspective is that, uh, did there is a gigabit, Eaton and port, but this time it is not, it's not a shared with the USB bandwidth. So it's, it's its own port of get that gets its phone a lane to the CPO, right? Like it gets it's own IOC. So you get a, you get a, there were benchmarks, I'm gonna link to the benchmark that came out, um, where the show, the show, the sort of like the bandwidth benchmarks and the, and they're getting close to a gigabit. If you're getting part of the speeds that you would get with a gigabit port ended up as that is fantastic for, for, uh, for, for uh, for a device that does price point.

02:16          Right. Uh, it's, it's amazing. Oh, it's okay. So the US dollar prices, um, it starts at like 35 for the one gig model, 45 for the two gig and four, four Gig. It's 55. So that is, that's the, that's the, as a three by four it says massively improved. There are, oh, htmi the, the, what they did was the replaced, uh, that one full size stage of GMI portal with Choo micro htmi ports. So I've now microwave Naima is kind of a weird one, right, that you needed indeed. Sort of like a dog too. Uh, you use that like a microwave SDMI to EGM. I don't Dongle if you to use that. Um, but yeah, that's through ask me five for Christian. Yeah. Do, do, do you have any plans? Like if it's this hard, it's gonna be hard to pick this up basically immediately because it's, nobody has stock yet, but uh,

03:14          bye. I straight up and get a by when to emulate old video games. Okay. That's like, like with the is the um, [inaudible] the approved output, uh, support plus the new graphics driver or graphics chip in there. Like, I feel like the old raspberry pie is actually pretty good for emulation. There's a lot of emulators that are pretty, well I'm optimized for them. But any more overhead is always great. Especially when it comes to like ambulating older games. Marissa, like ps one games. I still don't think this could probably do ps two games. Yeah. Maybe shitty not by me, but like definitely like ds and p s one and back. You know, you probably get great emulation on it. Yeah.

03:55          Yeah. And you can use it for other things too. Like it's, it's got enough headroom now I think to do a lot of server tasks that are slightly, uh, [inaudible] like they were, I remember like back back when this, like the raspberry Pi two was playing. It's like you could do some server stuff like media server, somebody else pretty weak because of the low amount of Ram.

04:16          Oh yeah. You could totally run plex on this now.

04:18          Yeah. You could totally like the four gig model with the, with the new CPU and the gigabit Eaton that, that's actually properly, even that. And you get dedicated, but you could actually get USB 3.0 uh, so try to plug it in to external stories of the gigabit. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a really a really good upgrade. Like I, the new Broadcom chip I see in there. Right. For a 1.5 gigahertz scores. CORTEX [inaudible] 70 tunes.

04:45          Oh, do you think it can remaster on though? Can you, can you run, sorry,

04:48          I'm going to meet with the math one. Will work, especially on the four gig model I think is really good. Yeah.

04:53          Because it's always been like the Aramco, right? Cause I know what the previous models, it's like you can kind of get massive on running, but sidekick man would get very sad. Sorry, sidekick person. We get very sad.

05:04          There's also the thing that, because uh, like masculine can be uh [inaudible] so you got the four game model, that shirt, I'll put that. Uh, so, but if they ultimately on can get storage heavy because you have the postgres, a database, which, which is [inaudible]. It has [inaudible] depending on how they, if it's a single usually instance, not a big deal. But he probably want like some external io or you don't want to put that on him. His d card, right. You wanna you wanna like connect that to some sort of portable SSD, maybe like connect, connect, connect message like one of those Samsung USB, they brought out a SSD things and connected. Uh, and that you have decent io at USB 3.0 speeds. Uh, and if you want to like do network Io, you can also do that. Like you have good network. This is, it's much better for messenger.

05:54          That's actually a good, very good use case. Especially especially with the, I would, I would recommend the four Gig, a four gig version for that. Oh it does? Yeah. Mastodon on sidekick can eat ram depending on how, how many workers do you have Sarah? Although I kind of, I, I kind of want them now. Now that they have like the base raspberry pie, like this is good enough for most tasks. We need a raspberry pie for like this is pretty great for that. I of half of me wants them to go like all out, make a ball, a raspberry pie. Like, maybe like even it's like $100, right. But like I want, I want a raspberry pie. It has a thunderbolt controller on it. Like actually, wait, I don't think you can do thunderbolt with arm. I think you can only do it with x even if to have to like the bore size would probably have to increase, right.

06:38          The board size would have to get bigger, which you would share. Let me like, imagine like a raspberry Pi prorate, like one that has like, just a, like what, like a flagship snapdragon chip in it and stuff. Like, obviously they were expensive, but it's still beyond your lap. 200 bucks. Really expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like really expensive residents. I mean, those sort of SLCs, Li s a s Oh, sbcs. Like small boards do exist. [inaudible] there are other boards that are, uh, that I have more power, faster or powerful a arm chips. But the, the thing is with those is like, it's not as well supported as the raspberry pie because recipe pies, so, oh, so popular that it, it gets a lot of softer software support, uh, like kernels. Uh, like hardware support, like drivers, all that sort of like, you can find guidance for basically at the thing.

07:26          Right. So then that's, ah, that's that. So that's on the raspberry Pi for, uh, I can't buy it yet. Uh, nobody has it. It's basically back ordered till probably until probably the end of the year. Uh, probably what it's going to take awhile. Let's see. Right here, actually I'm gonna, I'm taking a browse on the, I mean, yeah, yeah. In Canada it's, yeah. What's, he can't kit, let's see if they're probably sold a element. I four, I don't know. The, the threes were like, after, I think a couple months after release, they like started popping up and targets and stuff, like dedicated retailers. Like a what element? 14 or like New York. You are, uh, like they will probably have stock in a month or so. Um, you can get the four gig one. It'll shipped August 1st. Okay. So not too bad. It's like a month, right? Yeah. Let's see. Chicago Electronics, that's definitely doc, um, pie shop that us, that one is in out of stock.

08:25          Yeah. Yeah. I mean most, most I think other than that, the big reason, big ones, I'm going to be on this stock and like, okay. Basically like computer parts retailers and not going to get them until probably like til the end of the year. That's right. Oh Man. Of course. Micro center has them in sock. Anyone who lives in Boston and wants to ship me out a raspberry Pi. Um, you know where I am online. Yeah. All right, so that's the uh, a raspberry Pi. That is, I'm going to link the benchmarks if you like, looking at benchmark breaths. Those are there

08:56          already. Oh my God. Hold on a second. We need to talk about the official raspberry Pi Keyboard and mouse. Yes.

09:03          Oh,

09:04          I'm going to send you real quick just to link to like, this is like the cutest like color scheme ever. Like I, I imagine this is probably like not a great keyboard.

09:13          [inaudible]

09:13          oh, whoops. That link was messed up. Let's try that one. And totally, this is totally be the chapter art for the chapter, but like I fuck with that heavily. Oh, done. Dread. It's that red. It's that red. It's a good, it's a good look. I, you have to have accessories,

09:29          official power adapter. Now I remember that that used to be a problem because people you could build by like power doctors that didn't supply enough power and then their raspberry Pi would just like die their load, stuff like that. But they're, they Sally like official. The power of that person would not. So, uh, so the Raspberry Pie for, uh, I've always, I think raspberry pie is, it's one of those things that's this idealistic sort of concepts. Uh, it's, it's, it's what you deal with. It really, like there are a lot of things you could do with it. I kind of, I'm kind of kind of stuttering one, but we'll have to wait a little bit. Okay. Oh, so that one of next up we have our, I guess it is time to laugh at Google again. Um, two, two tattoo cancellations. Of course. Uh, the first one is the muscle areas one. Uh, it came out, I think this was two, this was two weeks at this point. A Google, uh, said that, uh, they are done making tablets and they were going to cancel out there. Two unreleased products that I guess were in development. Um, so the peak pixel slate won't be getting US secret. Ah, rest in peace. Pixel flight.

10:48          Oh, you could say, you could say the pixel slate was slated dead on arrival.

10:54          It was never slated to be,

10:56          that's about it. That's better. While I damn, damn, I, I it, it'd be like that honestly. So Rick Osstell low

11:07          that like just said like on Twitter, it's just like, yeah, Bro, it's not happening. Um, I know, do, I remember we talked about the Google Pixel slate and we were like, who is this for? What is this doing and why is this so expensive? Right. And like it is, it was, it was a failure, right? Like the get go. And I'm not surprised that didn't sell like at all. And, and, and with the recent, uh, like announcement of a iPad was like, I think Google have just realized like they are so, so like far as like the competition, like the competition is so far ahead that they don't even like th th it's, it's, it's not even worth it for the try to catch up at this point. They just just got to call it quit, uh, while they, while they're at it. So that's the, that's the, uh, the news.

12:00          Uh, I don't know if you have my android tablet. Uh, is there one of those Samsung ones? I think people buy those Samsung ones because like carriers seem to give those away. Well, absolutely. Yeah. Like carriers always have those deals. Tablets are so bad, but like, I mean, like they're good if you like, I guess one to watch like youtube on them. [inaudible] uh, I dunno, it's android tablets. I feel like we, we, we, we've, oh, I believe like literally like just like tore into it so much that I like the whole repo is just falling apart with how much we've like slammed android tablets. Yeah. It's just, that's kind of unfortunately the pixel slate. Like I don't remember. I was like the hardware design at least again, I think that the hardware design all right, but like the, the softer was, was not, Huh. So that, that's hmm.

12:48          Okay. And the second cancellation, oh, his is our good friend. Our a rather old friend, uh, hangouts on air is getting killed. So this was a youtube thing. Um, hangouts on air for those who don't know was a way of broad of livestreaming group video calls using hangouts on Youtube. Right. And, and it was, it was popular with podcasters because it was a way to get, uh, I'd like a super easy way to get a group call at a video and then you can broadcast at the same time, you can also get like the download the video. What if you get the audio recording from it, if you're like, that was how shades of Brown was recorded in the early days. Right before, before we started editing the podcast. It was, it was just, uh, it was just that, that just, it was bad. It was bad because it was just, it was just me using like, uh, like youtube MP3 ethic.

13:43          No, no, not even that. Like I have like I would like a video, like a mock sir tool that would like rip the audio right. And then it like, it didn't like convert it or anything. Just rip. Like you'll just copy the audio stream into its own file. And that's what we used for our podcasts for, for a long time. Uh, okay. Yeah, that's, that's going, that's shutting down some time in the future. So, uh, rest in peace. A podcasting tool I think is, uh, sometimes I think Google products get used in the ways that they don't expect it to get used. Like I don't think Google x exactly designed that. Four podcasters, I don't know who that is. I did for like two behind. The weird thing too, I don't know why hangouts on air was used for podcasts because like it's also the same reason. I don't really know why I use people use Skype, I guess it speeds. Most people have like a Skype account, but every time I listened to a podcast with Skypes is like, it's a rip Skype call. I think to myself, I'm like, it isn't that much more work to just have local files. Cause at the end of the day Skype calls are always going to sound bandwidth fee and it was hangouts on EHRs. Ditto. Okay. And

14:51          sure

14:52          like Microsoft does some processing to the audio but that's mostly to make it low bit rate and to make it um, sounded good for like a conference call but definitely not good to like listen back to, and it's the same sort of thing with hangouts on air hangouts on air. It was like if you needed to do a live stream it worked. But at the same time if you needed to go ahead and do a podcast, it was early shades of Brown. We're not audio quality. It was bad too cause like my audio was super quiet. Yours is really loud. Like it was

15:21          like yeah, that's not balance and bye. Yeah, it was not good. Um,

15:25          files were wasteful piece. I think we just ripped them to stereo mp3s. No, any better.

15:29          Yup. So,

15:31          okay. I mean this is a lot of memories though. There's definitely a lot of memories with hangouts on air

15:35          hangups on air is, it's, it's an interesting product like it is part of from a different era of Google. Right. I think this was, I think hangouts on air launched with hangouts I thing or,

15:45          yeah, no. So do you remember hangouts was built into [inaudible] Google plus as just the video chatting software? Cause I remember they had like chat, they had some other app, right? It's hangouts and like streams or something like that. There's two products. One got killed off current, maybe it was a called, I don't know. There's some, some bullshit name is hangouts and that. And then they all got meshed into one chat product called hangouts and then Google forgot that hangouts existed and then is now killing it. If he is a hey, I honestly too like hey, let's wasn't a bad chat app. No, actually hang up the one chat app that Google made that had the most traction and then they just like fucked it off for a couple of years because they stopped caring about Google plus.

16:24          Yeah, it's like hangouts was actually a decent chat app. Like, like I liked using hangouts. We use hangouts a lot. That was the old g chat though. You use the lonely, we weren't GooglePlus means hangouts. It was, it was,

16:36          and then you can use to be able to use, um, you remember in Google talk on the XMPP backend and that'll plug into hangouts cause they were built on the same infrastructure. Well those are the good old days and hangouts on air. It was like this weird part of it that's now got turned to youtube live streaming. And to be fair, it's probably the same tech that powers Youtube live streaming. But I don't know if people are using youtube live streaming now for like recording potty.

16:58          Yeah. I think, I think what happened like 10 up, I think hangouts on air and youtube streaming with two different things. But what happened was at some point somebody decided, wait a minute, we could just like just put the youtube and we were just like, get rid of the old hangouts on their code base and like sort of make this hybrid youtube streaming thing. And then that was hangouts on air. And then now it's just like, all right, nobody's clearly, nobody's using this really, oh for anything useful. So they're going to just cancel. Uh, so that, that's another added to the list of products or services that, uh, Google has killed, uh, this year. Like I, I love how like our stack n****r has like a category that's just called Google kilts product. It's, it's so good. Uh,

17:39          I mean, I guess it makes sense, like, right, with the tablets and this, like, honestly, no one was working on hangouts on air. And at this point the tablet is like, I, I would appreciate no effort rather than a shitty amount of effort. You know what I mean? Like I like, like if you're not going to try it, don't do it. And that's fair. Like, I mean, Microsoft doesn't make phones anymore and I'm not mad about that. Well, I'll rip windows phone. They felt they were terrible at it.

18:05          We did not try anymore. They're just like, all right, that's, that's it. We caught like to kill them. The guild windows phone. I remember that, that announcement. They were like, yeah. What else? What is done? Um, move on. Uh,

18:15          like peace. Andrew's habits are like the windows phone and tablets.

18:18          Yeah. I like the Google also. Actually, this is actually get the Google also reason to kill. It's twitch competitor Youtube gave me, which is related because youtube gaming, it was like the screen folded into youtube proper. Oh, okay.

18:32          I mean, I don't know. I, I feel like, I don't know why Google did that. Cause I feel like they could've, if they tried hard enough, get an ECD to competitor, but at the same time, youtube like assessment.

18:41          Cool. Horrible content. Yeah, no, I know. And that twitch has such an established, uh, like [inaudible] userbase I'm like, ah, all the people just go to twitch. Right, right. Like everybody who has tried to compete with twitch hasn't been able to like a few things like make search mixed there still around for now. Uh, I think Microsoft might actually kill mixer.

19:03          I don't think Microsoft is going to kill mixer if he's a, if like it makes sense as part of the x-box portfolio, right? Ps, if mixer like pays for itself and has like a nice community, I think they're okay with that.

19:13          [inaudible] they'd rather have their foot in the door. Right? That's probably true. Uh, like there was, there were other competitors like head box and like, okay. Yeah. Like, like twitches, just a, like a dominant player, that space. So that's, there's some, that's that. Oh, so next step, and this is going to be the, the Hashtag uh, [inaudible] piece a topic other week, right? This is the topic that it's not everybody's every podcast. It's talking about it. So here we are obviously. Uh, so this week, ah, used, broke out of kind of nowhere that, uh, on a press release, uh, Johnny Ive of, uh, formerly of apple now has decided to leave a ball to start his own consulting firm. Uh, sure. Christian. I'm just going to like what, what, what, what are your thoughts? Like what are your, like what were your initial thoughts when you heard this thing?

20:10          So, so what were, how are we going to take this is, I don't give a fuck about the org chart at Apple. We're not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about like legacy or anything like,

20:19          oh, person. Yes, I would, I feel like we should, our angle on, on this, um, it be what, what impact did the designs that came out of apple during his era have to have on the rest of the industry, right? Like what?

20:35          It's not there. Some p think pieces like, oh, Johnny B, who will care about design? I don't think that's true, right?

20:40          Like

20:41          I don't think that's actually true. It's just that Microsoft didn't give a fuck. So like do you had like two

20:45          polar opposites? Yeah,

20:48          I have known people in like the Linux CBD ants. I feel like cared about design and like are not influenced by Apple's work that much. But, but I think that there's a lot of chasing done to get to what Johnny ive was doing by other good players and I think that negatively impacted the market. Right. Because you get, you can, you can tell what something that made my apple is based on software or hardware, which is fine. But now there's always that weird land of like companies who copy it instead of making their own design style. And because of that, because of like so many of the copycats being cheap when you have new players that don't want to do it, like you know, [inaudible] Yella I don't know, I guess, I guess up to now, is it y'all at like, I mean just, it's Scandinavian so isn't like the job like a Ja, oh, I have a question.

21:37          Yeah. I don't know if you're Scandinavian at me in general. Scandinavian, just at me. But, but the, does he focus on like making everything like a Polish spear, like spiritual objects, right? With no visible seams. Yeah. [inaudible] is like not, not that great. And while well I would say maybe like Microsoft's design's been influenced by it, especially industrially, like there's enough of a difference in it. It's like uniquely them, right? Like, and it's, Microsoft uses different materials, right? And Microsoft is more, the surfaces have like exposed, they have exposed screws and like not like notches I would say, but they have like IX exposed hinges and all of that and in a way that like looks pretty and, and especially if you go towards like modern UI design in, in terms of, um, Linux is, well I think that it's, it's been able to move past like sort of copying apple, like even like elementary or west that started as more of like a, a rip on what Macko s was doing. But there was like a good two decades where everyone was just chasing that. And I don't know if that was good, great idea, right? Because a lot of like modern design, like modern design by the way, I don't really say is Apple's fault. Like you know like big webpages with huge font sizes and a lot of white space. No, that's not a trend. Apple. No, that was actually a trend that apple started following with Ios seven right? Yeah. That's actually more as Microsoft

23:04          that was a, that was apple was a follower of that one. Like I think that just originated in like web Dev space and I think that that was just like a web design [inaudible] that started, that became just the everywhere. Just like big fold that are resolved like as headers. Like know how the modern Ios looks. Right. Okay. Yeah. Like the apple did John Ive legacy is not as like I think,

23:32          yeah, I think a lot of Lee

23:34          because I think not what a lot it gets overshadowed. I think it's, I don't think like Johnny ive is a bad design. I just think that because of the success of the iPhone, it just sort like

23:45          it comes

23:46          this way. Expat, this exponential, the fact of every year. Oh, people just keep praising like that. The design of the found, oh, not that I like the design of the iPhone is good, but like the design of effects of, I think you've caught to Johnny Ivan and sort of like a, like, like apple just gave Johnny, I've just caught a Blige do whatever the fuck. Uh, he wants. And, and that resulted in some, and at this giving your creative thank you. High level creative personnel, the, the Cardio Blanche, do whatever the one is actually not a bad thing. If you have some checks and balances in place. And I think w afters, like this is one of those things like after Steve Jobs died, I think what happened was Steve would just, he would be just beading the check on the, on the hive designed trade, right? Like I would have some sort of shitty design, like a ridiculous smooth aluminum design.

24:45          And Steven would be like, no, that's, that's the, nobody's going to want to, uh, nobody wants that. They, the product's not going to be useful. Uh, but now like after I think, uh, I have a Steve left, I think it's just like Johnny, I just like designing products that are actually just from going from like, just being like sort of like [inaudible] yes. Kind of obnoxious aluminum, like one sheet of aluminum design too. Like these products that are actually badly designed. Like the, like the, like the keyboards. Like let's talk about the click list. It's always comes back to the fucking keyboards because like keyboards, it's so bad. Okay. The COO is responsible for the design of the Mac book pro in such a way that they had to respect, they have to like, they have to redesign a fundamental part of the computer systems, the keyboard. Like it's just like that is, that is not something that was,

25:40          or more importantly right when it comes to the fillings rate, the phones moving to like that sort of glass sandwich style that everyone else is now copied. Like it's, and, and I don't know, I just, I think it's a problematic take to be like, oh, he made people care about design where it's like, I don't know. Like we, we, we like we got to stop comparing everything to Microsoft in the mid two thousands because it was, it wasn't Microsoft in the mid two thousands a special case. Right? Like A, okay. And what we think about what is good design, right? Like have you ever seen fucking aqua? Like aqua has not aged swell. Like those, those are plastic colorful macs have not Egypt well I would say it's like, because like if you compare it to like what a beige box, like I'm pretty sure it was beige boxes look pretty dope back in the day. Like I don't know.

26:25          And and and say this is also the thing I think people don't really like people saying like, Oh yeah, like people cared about design. No, what happened was apple marketed. It's designed very well. I think that's I like, I'm not giving like I'm not giving like the design all the credit here. I think Apple's marketing, how's it been so strong over the last ever since the original iPhone digital, I kept doubling down on the design aspects of it, right? Like every, every, every, every time they announced the be an iPhone, uh, the new one, they, they talk about like how the, how the, it's like machine, uh, machined by like these, the new machines and like to talk about like the B shots of the corners and the angles that the really like, like glamour shots of like, yeah, like the of the designs, it's like they are marketing it. I don't think it's [inaudible]

27:17          and, and like more importantly, right, it's sleek but wasteful. Right? Like there's [inaudible] you take a look at the industrial design that's come out of apple and while it's pretty, I don't think there's many timeless designs, maybe like the original iPod original iPhone. Like those are timeless ones as like whole of like materials that people have made. But when you look at [inaudible] the chase to get those, right? Yeah. Like is it worth the, the amount of waste that is now created because of that? And is this like a whole industry problem, right? Like, it's, I don't know, like there's a motherboard piece that you were talking about earlier where it's like, is history going to be kind please? Sure Johnny Ive has produced beautiful things. [inaudible]

28:01          uh, like is it worth the amount of environmental waste that comes from that? Is it worth the, the lack of repairability that these machines give you? And uh, and I don't know if like if it's just, it comes back to that main take of him being good at design and making people care about design when it slick, things were built in certain ways, right? Like tower desktop towers are built a certain way because he needed to be modular. He needed to be a repairable Beazer going to buy them to have them for a long time and [inaudible] no, Apple's learning that now with the Mac pro, but there's many like the trashcan or these or the macbook pro that I have, right? Like there are four screws at the bottom, but what can I fix on this [inaudible] the chase to make this machine beautiful. Worth the fact that like, I will forever have to take this computer to a service center, do get fit repaired if anything happens or that the lifespan is artificial because come come like five, eight years from now.

28:54          Like the specs of this machine can last me a decade, right? Like I don't want battery watery and yeah. How easy is it right to repair the battery on one of these without tripping up one of the safeguards in it too from that t two chip. Like how easy is it to replace even like the processor, right? If that goes bad ed, it's beautiful on the outside, but how beautiful is it on the inside? And I think that weighing and repairability of things is something that that lends itself to good industrial design. Right? Like especially like, think about the home pod too. Like this thing is covered in fabric. I fixed that. I'd take a fucking bandsaw to it to get it open. Like how, how great is that in terms of repairability?

29:38          Yeah.

29:38          Yeah. And I mean, am I, am I complicit in supporting it? Yes. Right. But like where's the other option? Right? Like you buy a surface computer, it's the same damn thing. The surface laptop and that keyboard breaks, that fabric doesn't come back on if you take it off did or for like modern console's, right? Like how do you repair a switch? How do you repair an Xbox one? How do you repair of ps four? The answer is you kind of can if you're good at soldering, but really you don't,

30:01          I think like the most recent example of things, the air pod right at the airport is like the ultimate. Okay. Uh, the, there were, I think there was another more motherboard article.

30:11          Yeah. By like how, what happens when you try to recycle airpods right?

30:14          Yeah. What, what happens when you try to recycle your pots and what happens? They, they must be physically destroyed in order to be open. Like it's not possible to repair the product without destroying again, which, which obviously it's not a repair anymore. You just destroyed the product. Uh, and that, that's just like you can replace and the airport battery, right? Like that's gonna like up like what, how long is it gonna be last year before it becomes,

30:39          oh basically like two years. Like my airpods already like the Ma I think I've, I've, it's a running joke at this point but I have meats showing you like how the difference in battery life on my airpods are between each year just because I sometimes have like one in when I need to like listen to the outside world and it's ridiculous. Okay. It's ridiculous that we can't repair it. These, okay. Yes. A batteries die. Like I understand how the camp, the chemistry of that work, so that makes sense. But the fact that I can just get another one easily and then also be able to, you know, recycle that old one in a way that's safe for the environment is something that that has never really been worked on by apple, Microsoft or like even Google now with like there their pixel laptops or their phones. The way that modern gadgets are built, which primarily is because of apple is not a way that's friendly to the environment or designed for sustainability. Right. Like these are designed to be maybe pretty, but I would argue that timeless design also means that you can use this thing for like 10 fucking years without a breaking. Right?

31:42          It's like you can like design something like, like I dunno like

31:46          well even watches, right? Like a watch from like 1800 it's a mechanical watch. You can make that work today. You can you, I mean is it a pain in the ass, right? Like maybe, but it's all but it's feasible. You can, you can get parts assuming that it's built relatively recently or you know someone that can be taught how to repair it for one of these like you just, I can't because like there's a fucking t to ship in here and if I touch it, it's going to like lock out my hard drive piece of sub security measure and there's no way to really turn that off. And there's like, there's, there's many things that can go wrong and does oh easily, easily available ways to get them repaired except for paying apple watch money or buying a new one and being like, oh I guess I can recycle it. But it's sort of feeding back into the system of removing that freedom, you know, from the person.

32:32          Yeah. Oh. And like I and I don't like we mentioned like, um,

32:40          yeah, so Johnny ive is, okay, cool. What do you like like need to think new. There was the one was the iPod, iPhone five so there are five that had the glass back. I think that was the six. Six is the first one in the class back. Same. Sorry. No, it was a seven to seven to seven or the eight one another. I have one of the, one of those that was a go for it before one had a gloss back. Yeah. But I'm talking about like the modern iPhone design. It was, it was like the seven or eight that had the glass back. Yeah. But I know like the four has a lot of problems with the glass SPEC. Like, why was there a glass back piece? It looked pretty, I mean for the before. For the a, the argument's wireless charging it for the newer ones it is, but those are, they just wanted the glass on the back for why that, that happened with [inaudible] now like that's, that's not okay.

33:31          Oh, like I look at Apple's laptops now and I'm just, I'm just like, yeah, like why they did to key that it's just the fucking keyboards every time just come back to the keyboard. It's not even the keyboard, it's more of a, it's more of the whole build of it of like how do you repair it? Right. And it's like Mac book pro, you can kind of take it apart, but think about like the macbook one, right? Well yeah, that's all custom source parts. [inaudible] the cell. Like really anything even more so like iPads. Like where, where are you going to find a replacement processor for an iPad, right. That logic word goes bad. You have to buy a new one. And that's it. And in terms of repairability, in terms of upgradability, those are all important facets of like industrial design for sustainability. And I don't believe that apple ever really designed for sustainability.

34:20          I saw for a while as I think they do software wise, they know learning too. But with the, with their hardware, it's like, you know, I buy a computer, there's no reason that a $2,000 computer can't last be 10 years. Right. There's no reason that this phone can't last me more than like three or four years because if something breaks I should easily be able to repair it. And I don't, I don't think that was ever really true. I think it was more of a limitation of the technology that it was like easy to swap out a battery rate cause you couldn't really build internal batteries that wall back then. But [inaudible] and it's all over the industry, right? Like a pixel book. How the fuck do you fix that? Uh, guess you send it back to people a surface, right. If it breaks it kind of just brakes. Yeah. And you can't, you can't use like, but you can't make single use objects that are made out of metal and mercury and you know, lithium and all these other chemicals because they aren't designed you like that. That's not, it's not, it's not how raw earth metals work. Right. They're not meant to be single use than just kind of degrade away. Like this shit will outlive us. Yeah, okay. There's a lot of them, there's a lot of like discussion about like how did the usage of [inaudible] not Robert Rare Earth metals marathon. It was, yeah. Metals

35:38          and what countries they come from and how they're extracted and like what does the supply chain processes and like,

35:46          and then like, let's look this back, right. So the Raspberry Pi, the raspberry Pi is modular as fuck. So, well if that breaks rate like,

35:54          actually I, is there anything so no, no, no. Yes it is. So I'm the, I was about to say it's, it's, it's a single board. It's a single thing with, that's a c with a, everything sold it on. It has, it has, I mean you can probably try to work on the port itself, but I don't think that would be pre. Okay. Uh, okay. Very helpful. But it is a single board with limited, uh, no, but it's, it's not like it's going to break that easily, right? It's, it's, it's

36:20          the bubble. Like what happens with the raspberry pie when that breaks, right? Like what do you do? Do you just buy a new one piece? It's so cheap or like pretty much like this one's, I even, I would argue that the raspberry Pi itself isn't really made for that much repairability right.

36:32          No. Like the raspberry Pi is not like, I like it's not a product that's gonna [inaudible] people are still using like their old g raspberry pots that were released, I don't know, was years ago. Uh, like those still work just fine. Like, like this things like, like the, like the, those like it's not a party that's going to go bad that day. Right. It's a fairly reliable product. Which could you, could she get excused? These sort of like the, like the sort of Oh, single board nature of it where it's like you can only replace any of the parts. It's not like a soccer at CPU or anything. Uh Huh. So

37:10          it's just, it's, it's, I don't know. Okay. I understand why they do it. I understand why if he, he's, it's hard. She make things that you can, they're modular and you can repair, but that's the same, but at the same time [inaudible] I, I think that going, you know, forward as we go into like this next decade and stuff, it's going to become more and more apparent that there's a lot of fucking computers out there that are doing nothing but kind of rotting away and like it's so much wasted, wasted flaky metal, wasted materials and there's like no real good way to recycle them because of how they were built. And this is like, what the fuck do you do?

37:51          Yeah, that's, that's the question. What do you do? What do you do with it would be with increase. Okay. There there's other board said, you know, the history would not look kind upon Johnny Ive. Yeah, there's the, if you're interested in this topic, there's a science fiction book I just read. It is called [inaudible] waste tied by Shen Q fan. And it is about, it isn't what the year near future, a future of, of [inaudible] of this very situation of people working in a place called silicon isle, but they recycle electronics and then how they live and what sort of dangerous conditions that live in. Like it's, it's a, if you want, if you want to like sort of have like a science fiction aspect of this, just go check that out. If you to read that book. It's a, it's a good book. Huh? Recommended. Oh, so that, I think that's, that's our, that's our episode. I don't think there's a deals, but a link, the three pieces, uh, about Johnny ive leaving from three different people. So you'd get like a sort of okay. Wide Open for you of it. Oh,

38:55          well also probably throw the lake in there too. That motherboard article on the airpods.

38:59          Oh yeah. I read that art a, I should have that link somewhere in my history. But, um, yeah, so you can find us as always, uh, two shits of brown.com show notes are going to be there. You can contact us about by email contact@twoshadesofbrown.com. You can find me on Mastodon at static safe and Mastodon [inaudible] Zomba glaad.com and thinking about how much resources does a master on Serbia's, how does the compares to Energy Decision?

39:32          Well, I mean at the very least, if you are not the raspberry Pi, you could run off of solar energy.

39:35          Yeah, you could. You could, you could do, could definitely do that. Uh, so if you, if you, if you do that, actually, if you run out, if you run a math on around raspberry Pi, I know somebody in our audience definitely does.

39:45          I was about to say I have those, don't worry about that. I say like, you could run a mass audience is off of solar energy and there goes solar beam city. Actually. What is, what is solar B? What, what is like that whole solar punk thing? Is it about like solar energy or am I a hundred percent wrong?

39:59          Um, I'm, I'm actually, I can't tell you. I think it would, I would imagine it's, it's, it's living off of renewable energy, I think by living out solar power. Then you have wind, uh, living off, uh, hydro like water power, uh, like Jeff generators, like generating electricity on your own, stuff like that. I know like using, using like a renewable energy to generate them g being like, so like deserve to have a resourceful with the technology.

40:28          So I'm on solar punk, anarchistic.com and, um, solar is a revolt of hope against despair. Okay. All right. Um, I mean like, it was a, it's a part, it's a positive articulation of a better world. All right. It's practical utopianism. Alright. Right. Alright. That's such a map of the world. Does not include, utopia is not worth ever glancing at. Um, I'm about to play, I guess. I, I'm feeling, I dunno. Maybe I should put in the background, the, the theme song of the Soviet Union while I'm at it. Oh my God.

41:09          Oh my God. Okay. Uh, so where can people find your, uh, you're utopian visions, uh, on the Internet? Okay.

41:19          Um, I, I don't have any of those, but she could find me online at shows to find at 10 forward dot. Social.

41:28          Um, and as always, uh, if you have any feedback, send them over a solar power. If you do solar parking computing stuff, I'm actually curious. Well, what sort of stuff, if you do that, let me know that bitcoin with solar panels at me, Huh? Yeah. So we can, you could drag you on the podcast that that's what's going actually, no, no. Like if you mind bitcoin with solar energy, I'm okay with that. I mean, and it's not even like, how's that? I don't think you can get enough solar power to mine bitcoin. Like it's just some points about the proof was very wrong or very correct. And I'm here for it. Yeah. If you use solar power and your hominy duty, you maybe live like partially of the grid using solar power. Let us know, uh, at, with that goodbye. Bye.